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aspenmartintoday at 1:06 AM1 replyview on HN

I’m going to parrot back what you’re saying and you tell me if I’m getting close

- AI coding is a disappointing fad (“fever dream?”). - that has not made meaningful progress in…6 months? - coding harness is improving - model improvements are lies: it’s just businesses “benchmaxxing” and misleading people. Real performance has not meaningfully improved - “opus 4.7 is a dud” - 5.5 suffering from “system collapse” (I’ve never heard this term before)

Since you asked and I assume you are rational and really are interested to know:

- we have many measures of performance and have studied how one particularly important but unintuitive measure (pertaining perplexity) scales with data, compute, and model size. These laws continue to hold and have satisfying theoretical origins.

- whatever the scale of 5.5, consider we have far more room to go on the scaling front. Probably another 2-3 orders of magnitude before we hit limiting bottlenecks.

- that’s also fine because scaling is only part of the puzzle. RL on verifiable rewards is virtually guaranteed to get you optimal performance and that’s the entirety of the excitement around coding agents

- while you are right about benchmarks and measurement science having a ton of weaknesses, they are not at all garbage. There are probably around 40,000 benchmarks in the literature (this is not a made up number by the way it really is around that many). Epoch made a great composite measure using good stats (IRT) called their epoch capability index, METR has done and redone their time horizon measure and it holds up beautifully. There is a ton of signal in many benchmarks and they all tell a pretty compelling story.

- additionally, this is not some unknowable thing. It strikes me as odd that people’s prior on HN a lot of time is “it’s all dumb rich people putting way too much dumb money in this”. Sorry but the world is not that dumb. Trillions of CapEx is usually pretty rationally allocated. And it is!

- why? Because this is already known what happens when you do what we’re doing. When you have a verifiable reward system, have a certain amount of compute available, have seed data to get you to where you can do RL, you will be almost guaranteed to get superhuman performance


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jatoratoday at 5:38 AM

I'm pretty sure their mindset is pure cope. All top AI labs are agentically coding 100% now. There's a reason for that. Anyone not on that paradigm yet is either slow acting or purposefully resistant. (excluding workplace policies that hamstring you of course)