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When everyone has AI and the company still learns nothing

78 pointsby youngbriochetoday at 9:30 AM48 commentsview on HN

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pardstoday at 11:20 AM

In my large enterprise world, AI adoption hasn't made it outside of the development teams - only developers have access to Github Copilot.

Code takes 6-12 months to make it from commit to production. Development speed was never the bottleneck; it's all the other processes that take time: infra provisioning, testing, sign-offs, change management, deployment scheduling etc.

AI makes these post-development bottlenecks worse. Changes are now piling up at the door waiting to get on a release train.

Large enterprises need to learn how to ship software faster if they want to lock in ROI on their token spend. Unshipped code is a liability, not an asset.

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olsondvtoday at 11:18 AM

The post hits the nail on the head with the messy middle. There is simply no motivation to develop this sort of intelligence loop as a dev who has their own responsibilities which their job depend on. Management can ask as nicely as they want, but I’m not going to selflessly share my productivity gains with the broader company for free. I might share a tool if it’s useful. All the learning of how to wrangle AI or set up agents is better kept to myself if there is no recognition for sharing.

My company set up a “prompt of the week” award and brown-bag sessions to help spread adoption. We also have teams meant to develop these workflows. Clearly, they set these events up to play it off as their own productivity. Without a real (read “monetary”) incentive or job security, the risk and cost of spreading the knowledge falls squarely on the developer.

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alaudettoday at 12:11 PM

As a 3 year retired Systems Analyst I feel bad for my younger colleagues. In 2023 I was one of the first in my team to use AI to untangle some legacy code that did something mission critical with Perl and whose original author had long ago left and apparently didn't understand anything about actually commenting code or documentation. We were all in awe of this new technology that got us out of a bind. But more and more it looks less like a tool that is available to you instead of something that is being _done_ to you. Nobody asked for this.

At what point is inspiration and thought just devalued and worthless in the name of doing things instantly. The work has no soul.

threecheesetoday at 12:40 PM

TIL my $company has used the same consultants as this guy. We started with Training and Champions, to Leadership/Lab/Crowd with a CoE/brown bags.

We are definitely struggling with the same issues author describes, but even worse the leaders down at the Crowd level have some perverse need to achieve reuse across their teams, rather than letting their Crowd experiment. One team does something interesting, we must stop and get that thing out to all teams in that group, so everyone “benefits”. This is a scarcity mindset, which made sense pre-AI where code was costly and ideas were more valuable.

At the same time, everyone not only has to do their work, they need to be 25% more efficient from AI (new KPIs), and so their own learnings slow to a halt, and the team with the cool idea has to give presentations instead of hacking.

luodainttoday at 12:31 PM

The problem of failed learning existed long before AI. The information comes from multiple sources like Slack conversations, customer support cases, and sales calls, but there is no process in place for filtering out patterns. Speed of development wasn't the issue. Figuring out which features should be developed is the issue. With AI, it takes three days to deliver new features instead of three weeks, but you still may spend those three days on something not worth building.

The loop closes only when customers' insights have a proper place to go, where duplicates can be filtered out and priorities set. This isn't happening for many teams, and the acceleration of code generation will only make things worse.

blitzartoday at 11:05 AM

> Where is the ROI for the 2 mio € we paid Anthropic last year?

The CEO has a youtube style platinum token plaque for their office.

ch_asetoday at 12:11 PM

It’s been helpful for me to look at the promise of AI by comparing with the dotcom boom. Lots of similarities.

But the internet was a simpler concept for businesses. Basically it was you can now sell to people from their computers. AI’s promise is what? It can approximate reasoning about things? This is much more challenging implementation puzzle to truly solve.

I don’t know that I’ve seen anything of real substance outside coding tasks yet.

cadamsdotcomtoday at 11:58 AM

AI by itself isn’t that useful. An agent forgets and makes enough mistakes that you have to check all its work, which can be net productivity negative.

It really comes into its own when you treat it as a tool that can build other tools. For example, having it build tools that force it to keep going until its work reaches a certain quality, or runs compliance checks on its outputs and tells it where it needs to fix things. Then and only then, can you trust its work.

Right now most current roles & workflows are designed around wrangling the tools you’re given to do a certain job. In that regime AI can only slide in at the edges.

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woodydesigntoday at 11:44 AM

Great article. The part that stood out to me is the shift in how organizations define work.

In the old model, performance and OKRs were anchored in disciplines, job titles, and role-specific expectations. In the AI era, those boundaries are starting to collapse. The deeper issue is psychological and organizational: people are constantly negotiating the line between “this is my job” and “this is not my responsibility.”

That creates a key adoption problem: what is the upside of being visibly recognized as an expert AI user? If people learn that I can do faster, better, and more cross-functional work, why would I reveal that unless the company also creates a clear system for recognition, compensation, or career growth?

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Cthulhu_today at 11:35 AM

On the first part of the article, I believe it describes how individual productivity gains do not seem to translate to business / larger scale productivity. I think this is expected; individual developer productivity, code volume, LOC/day never was a valuable metric on a company scale. Number of delivered features might be one, but ultimately, revenue and customer growth etc are.

While I do believe higher developer productivity can lead to faster reacting to market forces or more A/B testing, that won't necessarily lead to a successful business. Because ultimately it rarely is the software that's the issue there.

dominictorresmotoday at 12:25 PM

It's just ass to work in this area now. In the company I work, the bosses let everyone use it, even non-developers. I really want to quit and work in another area but unfortunately where I live a beginning salary can't pay a rent and I'm getting old

jt654today at 11:43 AM

This is a great article. It helps you realize that the feedback loop is the goal but it won't just happen and traditional methodologies don't really support it. Has anyone here found a good way that promotes teams in a company to focus on the loop instead of productivity hack?

zidootoday at 11:53 AM

Once people try to increase quality instead of speed they will see how LLMs are powerful. Everything else is just sales pitch by Nvidia and friends.

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netcantoday at 12:23 PM

Path dependencies between invention and utilization... are complicated and hard to fathom.

Our mental models of developments like the industrial revolution, literacy, printing or suchlike tend to be a lot more straightforward than how things play out in practice.

When a bottleneck is eliminated... you tend to shortly find the next bottleneck.

Meanwhile, there is an underlying assumption everyone seems to make that "more software, more value" is the basic reality. But... I'm skeptical.

To do lists, wishlists, buglists and road maps may be full of stuff but...

Visa or Salesforce have already exploited all their immediate "more software, more money" opportunities.

The ones in a position to easily leverage AI are upstarts. They're starting with nothing. No code. No features. No software. With Ai, presumably, they can produce more software and make value.

Also... I think overextended market rationalism leads people to see everything as an industrial revolution...which irl is much more of an exception.

The networked personal computing revokution put a pc one every desk. It digitized everything. Do we have way better administration for less cost? Not really. Most administrations have grown.

Did law fundamentally change dues to dugital efficiency? No. Not really.

If you work on a terrible enterprise codebase... it's very possible that software quality/quantity isn't actually that important to your organization.

rob74today at 11:08 AM

One more point I noticed: since AI adoption is being promoted by companies, collaboration between developers could suffer. Why wait for a more experienced developer to have the time to explain some aspect of the codebase to you (and at the same time confess your ignorance), when AI can do it right away in a competent-sounding way (and most of the time it will probably be right, too)?

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cmiles8today at 12:21 PM

There are some improvements on coding and speed of developers, but more broadly in the enterprise AI is just producing a lot of slop that folks are getting fed up with.

AI content has a look and feel people sense immediately.

It’s amazing to see how quickly things shifted from “wow this is so cool, AI is going to change everything” to folks calling out “you lazy bum, this just looks like some slop you threw together with AI… let’s get some real thinking please.”

We are firmly heading into “trough of disillusionment” territory on the hype cycle.

simonciontoday at 11:27 AM

> There is another pressure building underneath all this. AI usage will become more visibly metered. The current enterprise feeling of “everyone has access, don’t worry too much about the bill” will not hold forever, at least not in the form people are getting used to. ...

> I do not want to make this a cost panic story, that would be the least interesting way to think about “rented intelligence”. The question is not how to minimize token spend in the abstract, any more than the question of software delivery was ever how to minimize keystrokes.

If tokens were as cheap as keystrokes -that is, effectively free- then "How do we minimize token spend?" wouldn't be a question that anyone asks. It's because keystrokes are effectively free that you only ask "How do we minimize the number of keys pressed during the software development process?" if you're looking for an entertaining weekend project. If keystrokes cost as much per unit of work done as the -currently heavily subsidized- cost of tokens from OpenAI and Anthropic, you'd see a lot of focus on golfing everything under the sun all the damn time.

cyanydeeztoday at 11:10 AM

I think if these companies first adopted local models with fewer token outs and the learners got to watch the tokens get made, there'd be a lot more understanding.

i_think_sotoday at 12:01 PM

> one team uses Copilot as autocomplete and calls it a day. Another team runs Claude Code in tight loops, with tests, reviews, and constant steering. A product owner suddenly prototypes real software instead of mocking screens in Figma. A senior engineer delegates a root-cause analysis to an agent and comes back to the valid solution in under an hour; this would’ve taken him two weeks without AI. A junior person produces polished code but has no idea which architectural assumptions got smuggled into the system. A support team quietly turns recurring tickets into workflow automation, because they know exactly where the work hurts and nobody in the Center of Excellence ever asked the right question.

This is just sales copy for various AI companies, laundered through an "influencer". It might as well be the CIA sending their article to be published in Daily Post Nigeria, so that the NYT can quote it as "sources".

The title is just clickbait. The rest of the content are fluffy bunnies and rainbows. It's all summed up as "continue to consume product, but remember to also do X". Sales copy + HBR MBA bait.

The closest thing to an honest, less-than-rosy example is the "junior person" who has no idea about the code they committed.

What about the "senior person" who has no idea about the code they committed? What about the CISO who doesn't understand that pasting proprietary documents willy nilly into the LLM's gaping maw might have legal/security/common sense implications, and that it is his job to set policy on such behavior? What about the middle manager who doesn't even try to retain the most experienced dev in the company because "we don't need the headcount anymore, now that Claude is so fast"? What about the company eating its own seed corn because every single junior position has been eliminated and there are no plans for the future anymore? What about the filesystem developer who fell in love with his chatbot girlfriend and is crashing out on Discord?

Oh wait, scratch that last one. He left the company and is crashing out on his own.

Carry on, then.

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