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karanbhanguiyesterday at 8:06 PM8 repliesview on HN

This comment could get its own DSM classification for how insane it is.

I'm all for strong justice, but you want to imprison an executive for decades for copyright violations?


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rpdillonyesterday at 8:22 PM

I'm gonna have to go dig up the link, but isn't there a guy that Nintendo basically has on indentured servitude for the rest of his life?

Ah, found it:

>In April 2023, a 54-year-old programmer named Gary Bowser was released from prison having served 14 months of a 40-month sentence. Good behaviour reduced time behind bars, but now his options are limited. For a while he was crashing on a friend’s couch in Toronto. The weekly physical therapy sessions, which he needs to ease chronic pain, were costing hundreds of dollars every week, and he didn’t have a job. And soon, he would need to start sending cheques to Nintendo. Bowser owes the makers of Super Mario $14.5m (£11.5m), and he’s probably going to spend the rest of his life paying it back.

I'm not even a tiny bit supportive, but there is precedent.

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2024/feb/01/the-man-who-ow...

masfuerteyesterday at 8:40 PM

American executives have been pushing to criminalise copyright infringement for decades, and America has worked hard to pressure countries all round the world to do this as part of trade deals. There is, for example, a Brit serving an eleven year sentence right now *.

Why should Zuckerberg be exempt?

* https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65697595

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AlotOfReadingyesterday at 8:17 PM

The non-strawman way to interpret the parent comment is that they want them to be treated the same as normal copyright violators. Jail is a common result of (criminal) copyright prosecution, with 44% of convicted offenders being imprisoned, averaging 25 months [0].

Now, I personally find the idea of imprisoning people for copyright offenses horrific, but I don't think it's remotely insane that someone else might come to that conclusion, given that we broadly accept it as a society.

[0] https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...

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ginkoyesterday at 8:18 PM

Is this controversial? Executives should be held liable, certainly moreso than just regular people sharing files.

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jaredcwhiteyesterday at 11:17 PM

Decades? Maybe not. A few years at minimum? Hell yeah!

surgical_fireyesterday at 8:32 PM

I would prefer a harsher punishment, but I would begrudgingly accept throwing him in jail for decades.

I always heard that criminals should be thrown in jail, it's time we started doing it to the real criminals.

jacques_chesteryesterday at 8:23 PM

There aren't enough things an executive can go to jail for.

Fines don't do anything to deter bad behavior. Either:

* The company pays

* They pay and the company mysteriously increases next year's comp / grants a "loan" / etc

* D&O insurer pays

In all three cases the money comes out of the shareholders' hides. It provides zero personal deterrence. The payoff matrix, as seen by a sociopath, makes it rational to always defect against the common good.

The only punishment that can really focus attention is physical imprisonment in a facility they can't choose.

SOX did this for financial reporting and gee shucks it turned out executives can follow the law after all!

essephyesterday at 8:39 PM

> I'm all for strong justice, but you want to imprison an executive for decades for copyright violations?

They stole the life's work of millions of people.

In less civilized times, they likely would have been drawn and quartered by strong horses, and had their limbs drug to the 4 corners of the continent as a warning to anyone else that would consider doing it again.