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ButyTh0today at 2:07 PM3 repliesview on HN

Why do we have to get by as you say? On whose command?

Why do we always act like there's an immutable social obligation to march right along believing the prior generations had freedom to start marching in that direction, but we are forever locked in to such a direction.

You know all the people that made those choices are dying and future generations have zero obligation to carry on linearly from where they left off?

Women would not have the right to vote. We'd all be speaking Latin.

Two things that would remain true if society of the living was tightly coupled to exactly how the past worked.


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pjc50today at 3:17 PM

The original comment has conflated every ill into "have to", combined with political fatalism. Not unreasonable given the way things have turned out, but yes it's not inevitable either. It's just the direction of travel that the majority chose.

Certain "have to" are imposed by the physical world. The world will have to use less oil in 2026 than in 2025, because production has been so heavily impacted by the war. What happens beyond that .. well, only a fairly small number of people get to make that decision. Next US presidential election is in 2028.

tonyedgecombetoday at 2:44 PM

This is a valid point but I’m struggling to understand what it has to do with the gp comment.

The reality is the West has been leaning on cheap labour for decades. That can’t continue as the rest of the world is catching up.

This is a good thing even though it will be painful for people used to consuming cheap goods from Asia and other parts of the world.

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kakaciktoday at 2:49 PM

You don't have to do anything, nobody cares about individuals when you have 8 billions. The masses, on average, want cheap simple fun, cheap stuff and so on. Market responds. Good luck trying to change that.

Sure, there is some market manipulation, ads are the best example (how can any adult with even a smidge of self-respect accept any ads in any form is beyond me, thats mind slavery 101) but since forever masses wanted bread and games more than literally anything.

All those companies making high quality expensive products that lasted decades? Barring tiny exceptions, they either went down with quality (less control, move to china etc) or went bankrupt.

Parent is right in 1 aspect - if we elevate whole world to similar income levels, the income of previously-rich countries will have much less purchasing power, can't escape simple numbers. But who cared in the past about slave kids in sweat shops, right, they didn't have the right skin color, passport or religion to worry about.

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