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Karrot_Kreamtoday at 7:05 PM4 repliesview on HN

> Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens up national parks for drilling and cancels solar/wind projects. You occasionally see a heartwarming post: “California adds solar panels over a canal” and it just looks cute and kind of sad compared to the massive, ambitious, and technologically superior build out of Chinese renewables.

Coal is still the majority of generation capacity [1] in China and China continues to build a lot more coal [2]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China

[2]: https://apnews.com/article/china-coal-solar-climate-carbon-e...

> BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion

Is this supposed to help virality or something? "US decline"?


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blackjack_today at 7:11 PM

Who cares? China is revving up energy production in renewables to out eat the fossil production, but all of these processes are energy hungry, and you have to pay the non renewable cost to create the renewables. But then you don’t need the fossil fuels anymore. My solar panels will produce for the next 30+ years and power my EV with very little effort or maintaining, whereas the fuel I used to drive my ICE car to the store yesterday is gone forever and will need millions of years of dead things to recreate.

This is literally using fossil fuels to create renewable energy, which is the ultimate sane and responsible way to use the energy from fossil fuels.

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snapcastertoday at 7:08 PM

As an american i feel it. have you ever visited China? it's sad man, in more and more industries america is only able to compete by banning china from even contesting the market

Not just on dumping or price, actual product quality, innovation and value. It's impossible to visit a Huawei store in Beijing and not feel it in your bones

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RobotToastertoday at 7:36 PM

As much as coal is bad for the environment, eliminating it completely isn't a great idea. It's one of the few sources of energy capable of a black start https://www.theblackoutreport.co.uk/2023/06/13/black-start/

Renewables generally aren't capable of a black start, wind turbines in particular use induction generators that require external power.

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standeventoday at 7:13 PM

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