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torben-friisyesterday at 6:01 PM4 repliesview on HN

Wasn't the whole apple silicon thing about Intel being unable to keep up?

Is this maybe a way to expand the affordable neo line?


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toast0yesterday at 10:34 PM

IMHO, the big thing was the mismatch between what Apple wanted in a CPU and what Intel was prepared to offer the marketplace, and AMD wasn't different enough to matter.

Intel/AMD chips are designed with one thermal target for acceptable computing and a second, much higher target if you want to compute at the highest throughput continuously.

Apple did not provide the highest thermal capaicity and suffered when comparing similar cpu against another OEM. With Apple silicon, the cpu is designed around the thermal solution Apple is willing to provide. A lower power target leads to a lower clockspeed target leads to different design tradeoffs than Intel/AMD where flagship designs must clock to the moon. You can see similar benefits for the lower targets in AMD's ZenC cores.

But ZenC wasn't available, and Apple probably wouldn't want to be running laptops with only ZenC when you could get a regular Zen laptop from someone else. Apple benefits from avoiding apples to apples comparisons.

Likely Apple won't lean too heavily on Intel fab to start with. Let them do processors for value products and see where it goes, but always plan for fab agility. At least until Intel fab becomes a reliable partner.

tambourine_manyesterday at 6:22 PM

Intel has been deemed a national security asset. Essential infrastructure.

The government (both current and previous administrations) is doing everything it can to make sure they do keep up, at the very least. And with enough money being thrown at it, they probably will.

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NetMageSCWyesterday at 6:02 PM

It was about x64 being unable to keep up - independent of Intel’s Fab capabilities which have improved lately.

Also, the NEO line uses cutting edge technology that is necessary for the iPhone SOC, so this is probably for other chips.

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lostloginyesterday at 8:14 PM

> maybe a way to expand the affordable neo line?

It’s a good way to keep pumping the share price too.