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fidotronyesterday at 8:47 PM7 repliesview on HN

Let's go there: this is what the Unabomber was on about, and there has long been an effort to stop people noticing this.

Ultimately you end up with either going for totalitarianism (either to arrest development in the status quo, maintain a state of anarcho primitivism or technocratic tedium) or we resist that and break out by trying to forge forward into some unknown unchartered territory.

In practice we have no choice but to aim for the unknown and hope. Can't lie and say I can see what the way through all this is though.


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iugtmkbdfil834yesterday at 8:58 PM

Not so long ago, I have come to a rather unpleasant realization that whether a lot of that will happen, will depend heavily on whether the ones currently trying to make technology control every facet of our lives decide to allow society get dumber first ( think Idiocracy, which AI very much could allow ) or not in which case it is anyone's guess, because people will still have some basic skills and memories of what could be.

I am hoping for the best, but life has taught me hard not to bet against humanity's worst instincts.

edit: add whether

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a_victorptoday at 12:30 AM

In my view, the core of the solution here is to realize that no system will be stable and "perfect" forever. That is, we may chart into the unknown and arrive at a pretty good solution that benefits people, but over time, as people relax, some people will try to take power and eventually succeed. My point is: some people will always try to get advantages. So it will always come to the community to put in work to improve society and guarantee the benefits are given to all. There is no defining a set of rules and forgetting about it

rexpopyesterday at 10:33 PM

This issue is evident to many smart people, and it would behove you to find a few whose conclusions were more prosocial, and sustainable.

One such perspective is Tools for Conviviality, a 1973 book by Ivan Illich.

Your ultimatum is imaginatively anemic.

Aurornisyesterday at 11:20 PM

> Let's go there: this is what the Unabomber was on about, and there has long been an effort to stop people noticing this.

There has not been "an effort to stop people noticing this". The Unabomber Manifesto has been available everywhere and published across mediums from the start. The topic beat to death by everyone from anarchists to eco-fascists to internet edgelords since it was released. It has also occupied a place of debate in academia, being studied and criticized in a lot of courses.

The Unabomber Manifesto wasn't even a particularly good critique in this topic. It just happened to become a popular one because he was a terrible person who murdered a lot of people and wanted to murder a lot more. The common criticism of the manifesto is that it was a bunch of cliches tied together with some writing that appeared eloquent, and then he forced it into notoriety by being a literal terrorist.

It doesn't stop comments like this from implying that he was on to something or the next step of implying that there's some broader conspiracy to stop us all from noticing that he had a point. The latter conspiracy breaks down when you look at how much everyone knows about the manifesto and how it has been reprinted and discussed to death for years. He even wrote and published entire freaking books from prison.

tardedmemeyesterday at 11:12 PM

"uncharted territory"

hackable_sandyesterday at 10:17 PM

I mean, I don't see what the rush is.

It's like Silicon Valley overdosed on Adderall.

You can have the same tech, just in 5 human generations. I don't see why you have to have it now.

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