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ggamecrazytoday at 4:46 PM1 replyview on HN

> High interaction volume (1k+ chat sessions per month)

I don't mean to be that typical HN commenter but you did lose me a bit there.

I know a lot of people are just getting started with agents but even for a lot of scrappy startups usage is a lot higher than that!

If I may suggest focusing on explaining how you can add value even when usage is super low to controlling costs even when usage can get super high?

I can validate you that it is a true problem that's solved by large companies but you have to hand-roll yourself @ startups (via airflow or queues, etc). But unfortunately one where I am not sure that a lot of stakeholders understand the benefits of (yet!). I think value has to be shown a bit more clearly here, sadly.

Congrats on the launch!


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ttposttoday at 5:00 PM

thanks for the honest insight! Very helpful to hear that you feel the problem is real, that's whats most important to us, we'll keep working on getting the solution and messaging right!

- we say >1K because two reasons: 1. its still feasible (although tedious) to put the full burden on analyzing agent performance and usage on your engineers equipped with obs tools and logs (not ideal but its what most AI teams we see do) 2. you're spot on - it actually surprised us too how few companies (even the really big public ones that have promised to build 200+ agents back in 2024) still have barely one or two agents in prod with only hundreds of convos. 1K convos was our best first guess at the cutoff point where the manual work of digging through traces, and the insights you can get start to make sense enough to need a tool for this. We're definitely planning to tune that number as time goes on!

-We definitely don't have pricing figured out yet, we plan to continue to iterate on the event volumes etc to make sure our product gives clear positive roi for the teams using it at every level. But in general we look at other analytics products as our early barometer. Yes the higher your event volume the more cost, but in my experience (back in Ecomm using Heap analytics) it was so incredibly worth it to pay more as our business and data volumes scaled (we ran on data) I think this is the challenge with all analytics products, they're not useful if you only have 5 site visitors. We see the progression as start with obs/logs -> evals -> analytics as your usage scales.

Curious to hear, whats the session volume of the agent products you run? Every datapoint helps us tune our tiers, pricing, and most importantly our product!