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cortesofttoday at 5:35 PM8 repliesview on HN

This is always the game theory of ransoms, and it is a classic example of a collective action problem (and is a form of a prisoner's dilemma).

Each individual company is probably better off paying the ransom, but everyone would be better off if no one paid a ransom.

This is why the United States, for example, has an official no-ransom policy, and why other no-ransom policies exist. You have to have something forcing the individual victim to not pay, otherwise they will always be incentivized to pay and ransoms will continue to be profitable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action_problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma


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gopher_spacetoday at 6:07 PM

Famously summarized by Kipling

https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_danegeld.htm

Ysxtoday at 6:00 PM

> Each individual company is probably better off paying the ransom, but everyone would be better off if no one paid a ransom.

You're then a target known to be vulnerable and pay ransoms, so best focus on security.

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janalsncmtoday at 6:02 PM

There’s a similar dynamic from within the hacker group itself. For the ransom group, it is better for them to be perceived as trustworthy. Pay the ransom and we won’t leak your data.

For any individual within the ransom group, they can get a big payout by selling the data.

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bombcartoday at 5:39 PM

You can also have the "excessive force" doctrine, where holding someone or something for ransom results in your entire country being a smoldering crater.

But just like fail2ban, this gives someone else decision-making control over your actions, which can be abused.

BennyH26today at 6:22 PM

And that’s exactly why the incidence of kidnapping plummeted in Italy once ransom payments were made illegal

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mlyletoday at 7:37 PM

There's one more piece that matters.

If no one pays the ransoms, but people believe that large ransoms are paid-- you still have the crime.

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Hizonnertoday at 5:39 PM

... except that "policies" don't cut it. Criminal penalties for paying are what you need, and not just for payments to specific designated entities, either. The executive making the decision to pay has to have a real fear of personally spending time in actual prison.

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kjkjadksjtoday at 5:51 PM

While the us stance has resulted in savings on potential ransom, it has also lead to people being kept in prison for very long time until prisoner exchanges might be worked out. That cost to an individuals life being imprisoned is probably far in excess whatever the US might pay. Plus the US prints its own monopoly money and doesn’t really play by the rules of economics anyhow ever since getting off gold standard.

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