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jeroenhdtoday at 10:18 AM2 repliesview on HN

I, for one, like streaming apps enough that I don't want to go back to locked-down, expensive DVD players. The alternative to DRM isn't "no DRM", it's "no content".

Integrity detection means criminals cannot just inject some code into an existing banking app APK and call it a day. The hacked app won't generate valid HTTPS calls when properly validated. You can still phish users, but instead of automated online phishing panels, you need someone with a physical phone copying everything the user enters. It significantly raises the bar for these criminals.

If this stuff wasn't available, we just wouldn't have a lot of useful apps that we do today. The technology itself isn't bad per se, but the combination of a lack of hardware manufacturer support (for doing things like locking down bootloaders), custom ROM support (because bootloaders aren't locked down anyway), and app developer interest (see the whole GrapheneOS story) are what causes problems. Restricting the technology because the companies you deal with are shit is a bad solution in my opinion, because if they are motivated to be shit, they will find other ways to be shit.

For instance, someone set up an alternative attestation company that's even worse than Apple and Google, and if it weren't for Play Integrity, they'd be making the APIs and whitelists instead of Google.


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RandomGerm4ntoday at 11:20 AM

> I, for one, like streaming apps enough that I don't want to go back to locked-down, expensive DVD players. The alternative to DRM isn't "no DRM", it's "no content".

That statement is simply not true. The demand for streaming services would still be there. There would simply be even more illegal alternatives than there already are, so companies would still be forced to offer movies and TV shows via streaming. They only have the choice between offering DRM-free content and making money, or making no money while people watch it anyway.

ShowalkKamatoday at 12:08 PM

>I, for one, like streaming apps enough that I don't want to go back to locked-down, expensive DVD players. The alternative to DRM isn't "no DRM", it's "no content".

that's a false dichotomy since piracy exists. Stop giving them money until their behavior changes. If it doesn't... oh well, you still get a better service.

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