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SANA-WM, a 2.6B open-source world model for 1-minute 720p video

153 pointsby mjgiltoday at 12:06 PM67 commentsview on HN

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mccoybtoday at 2:06 PM

I struggle with these world models from the perspective of video games (so this post is a particular perspective).

I'm not a game developer myself, but some of my favorite games carry a deep sense of intentionality. For instance, there is typically not a single item misplaced in a FromSoftware game (or, for instance, Lies of P -- more recently). Almost every object is placed intentionally.

Games which lack this intentionality often feel dead in contrast. You run into experiences which break immersion, or pull you out of the experience that the developer is trying to convey to you.

It's difficult for me to imagine world models getting to a place where this sort of intentionality is captured. The best frontier LLMs fail to do this in writing (all the time), and even in code, and the surface of experiences for those mediums often feel "smaller" than the user interaction profile of a video game.

It's not clear how these world models could be used modularly by humans hoping to develop intentional experiences? I don't know much about their usage (LLMs are somewhat modular: they can produce text, humans can work on it, other LLMs can work on it). Is the same true for the video output here?

All this to say, I'm impressed with these world models, but similar to LLMs with writing, it's not really clear what it is that we are building towards? We are able to create less satisfying, less humane experiences faster? Perhaps the most immediate benefit is the ability for robotic systems to simulate actions (by conjuring a world, and imagining the implications).

In general, I have the feeling that we are hurtling towards a world with less intentionality behind all the things we experience. Everything becomes impersonal, more noisy, etc.

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resist_futilitytoday at 4:24 PM

warning: viewing the videos that auto play on that page shot up my downloads to 350Mbps on that page

jubilantitoday at 3:32 PM

Model weights coming "soon" == currently vaporware. So the weights aren't even open, how can this be "open-source"?

Everyone is right to be skeptical of this coming from a 2.8B model. Weights or it didn't happen.

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PyWoodytoday at 4:14 PM

I tried watching the cave video and I was immediately overcome with nausea. I've never experienced anything like that before in my life. Wild.

I can't say I'm looking forward to an AI video future.

mejutocotoday at 1:33 PM

They all look like video games. I guess Unreal Engine is used to create synthetic data for training.

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ionwaketoday at 4:09 PM

i survived flash, jquery, svn, soap, xml, microservices and crypto now some norwegian teenager is generating netflix-quality worlds during lunch break from a jpeg of a forest

EDIT> dont ask how I came up with this quote

Incipienttoday at 2:07 PM

Outputting video of that quality/consistency at 1 minute, for a 2.6B model seems insane?

Fischgerichttoday at 12:58 PM

So, where is the download? I can't find it on Github, and on your web page the download button is disabled.

Also, will this run on RTX 4090 with 24GB memory?

Thank you!

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joenot443today at 2:02 PM

What’s the long term utility of world models?

There’s no doubt they’re technically impressive, but what does one do with it?

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pferdonetoday at 1:14 PM

First video with the guy walking the mountain in snow has consistency issues with the cave entrance. Which is "expected" at this model size?!

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agus4nastoday at 3:25 PM

Has anyone actually tested this for robotics simulation? Curious how it handles edge cases in physical environments.

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bobkbtoday at 1:01 PM

The trouble is the lack of training available to these models compared to the ones like Seedance and Kling who seems to be tapping into their unlimited video inventory. Many models like LTX is technically good but when it comes to slightly different camera movements or the subject interacting with objects they struggle. For a recent example we had to use sample videos generated by closed source models and then use the same for final video.

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yieldcrvtoday at 3:46 PM

Really great for visuals during a dj set at a festival or YouTube

CommanderDatatoday at 2:21 PM

All video models are terrible at consistency. Even closed source ones.

Seedance 2.0, Kling 3 are regarded the best closed source video models we have. I have subscribed to a few AI video subreddits, consensus atm is they are good for anything but long form videos with humans.

No surprises that we're very good at spotting even the most subtle differences while looking at other people.

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trunkiedozertoday at 2:19 PM

It ain’t open source until it’s released. It’s baitware.

agus4nastoday at 3:18 PM

Increíbles resultados

sebringjtoday at 2:36 PM

i see this and think about Suno's playbook where this could go... survival of the fittest rules the boards where you have user-generated-dynamic video games, not just static ones where design is fixed, the design will be adaptive... based off several prompt input boxes for various things and adhoc while playing, higher tier design boards and the like, this is all going toward user-gen commercial / vanity / personal enjoyment.

xyzsparetimexyztoday at 2:59 PM

ugly slop

utopiahtoday at 3:47 PM

Nice, now instead of just reading slop you'll soon be able to experience slop Worlds, in 3D! /s

It's honestly impressive, on the surface. The visuals are gorgeous... but it's still empty. What makes a "World" a world is precisely it's coherency. It's not about how it looks but rather how it "works". The plants in an ecosystems are a certain way because of the available resources, all the way to forces like gravity. It doesn't just "look" like that. To echo Konrad Lorenz a fish doesn't just swim in the water, rather the fish IS an efficient representation of the water it lives within. Here in such "worlds" there is nothing happening. There is minimal superficial coherence, no logic, nothing.

The ultimate liminal spaces.

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