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deauxtoday at 1:37 PM1 replyview on HN

These articles may as well be US industry plants. Clickbait title, useless content written to discourage people and hope they throw their hands up and abandon all efforts.

Sovereign clouds are an incredibly meaningful first step. Full independence takes decades. China still uses plenty of AMD and Intel chips, does it mean the amount of independence they've achieved is meaningless? That their stacks are just as dependent on the US as those of the EU?

Of course not and even a child could know that. You start with the very end of the chain and hopefully very gradually work your way upwards. Sovereignty is a float, not a bool. If it's a bool its valye is False for all of China, the US and Italy, where in reality each has very different degrees of tech sovereignty. So you do things in order of efficiency, i.e. compare effort needed and how much it moves the sovereignty needle and pick what has the best ratio at this time. Designing and producing your own processors is far down this list.


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dingalingtoday at 2:05 PM

> You start with the very end of the chain

No, that's just taking a quick win and kicking the can down the road.

Data migration and hosting is comparatively quick and easy. It can be done any time.

What takes huge lead-times is re-establishing a chip-making industry; not just the fabs but also the raw material contracts, materials processing etc

I'd argue that achieving data sovereignity first is counter-productive because we know the politicians will relax once the easy bit is done. The actual hardware hard-work will never get funded, especially after a new US President takes office in 2029. Europe will sigh in relief and go back to its wilfull ignorance of the risks of dependency'