yeah but i don't think there's any large org which is 'good guys'.
There are several. They're in China, releasing competitive open-weight models on a regular basis.
Ah yes, the famous altruistic China, no profit or geopolitical/national security motives, doing it all purely for the love of the game.
I thought "If you're not paying for the product, you are the product" is the most accepted wisdom on HN? At least when it comes to services from FB or Google. But if that comes from China they are the "good guys"?