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flohofwoetoday at 8:25 AM11 repliesview on HN

Hmm, most German forests are also vast monoculture 'tree farms' and have been for the last 250 years (also caused by large scale deforestation in the centuries before). In the Ore Mountains we also have those yellow clouds of pollen coming off spruce trees every few years, covering everything with a thin yellow dust layer, yet I'm not aware that the number of people with pollen allergies is exceptionally high (oth, maybe it was 200 years ago and by now the population has become immune, or maybe the tree pollen in Japan is just more aggressive...).


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efesaktoday at 9:14 AM

The spruce and other local conifers (I live by the Bohemian Forest/Bayerischer Wald) have pollen that seems to be low allergenic by design. I know a lot of people who are allergic to birch or weed pollen, but not to spruce.

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idiomaddicttoday at 9:09 AM

I moved to Germany as an adult from a completely separate biome, and I’ve got terrible problems with allergies I never had in my home country

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INTPenistoday at 9:25 AM

Pollen allergies have definitely skyrocketed in Sweden. We used to be able to sit in an office and work all year without hearing people sniffle and sneeze.

Now it's like an epidemic, at least half the office is affected.

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postepowanieadmtoday at 9:01 AM

Spruce is also a problem in Poland, especially southern. Leaf trees have been replaced with "fast growing" spruce over a hundred years ago.

dathinabtoday at 12:47 PM

one one had Japan seem to have quite bad luck with the specific tree(s) mass planted

but also on the other hand in Germany problems with allergies are very common and a pretty big deal for many people, it's just that we got used to it

but also while Germany has not-very-diverse "tree farms" for a very long time, the level of monoculture got way worse in the last 70-100 years AFIK, especially after WW2 the only way to cope with the extreme high demand was to mostly plant very fast growing trees. I.e. mostly spruce and pine.

Idk. if allergies got worse due to this and we just didn't notice because of having so much bigger problems (like many cities lying in ashes) or if Germany always had similar bad allergy problems. But this WW2 induced increase in monoculture is still a huge problem even ignoring allergies as this made German forests especially susceptible to things like pests and adding stress from climate change has lead to mass dying of trees in some regions.

zeristortoday at 1:14 PM

In Germany I understand the non-native trees in the warmer climate are succumbing to beetles, and dying out.

I understand that they're being replanted by more native species.

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alphabeta3r56today at 8:48 AM

Germany has half the percentage of forest as Japan

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soni96pltoday at 10:30 AM

My aunt in Poland has terrible allergies now because of yellow pollen from spruce, but I'm not sure how that translates to larger population, other than it does happen

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IAmBroomtoday at 2:06 PM

Pollen can be broadly separated into airborne and not-airborne.

Ragweed pollen is light enough to be borne miles by wind. Goldenrod pollen is too heavy for that, but is sticky, and is carried on fur and feathers. Ironically, people blame the showy goldenrod blooms for allergies, although they likely have never had goldenrod pollen in their breathing passages - while lowly, hiding ragweed unleashes millions of barbed pollens spores upon their breathing passages. (Ragweed flowers are small and green - you can stare at a plant and not realize it's blooming!)

Likewise: the sap of poison ivy is strongly allergenic; the sap of maple trees almost never, due to reactivity with immune systems. Americans are likely to be exposed to both.

So, in short: there are plants that are potential allergy-sources, and others that are not.

Xmd5atoday at 9:48 AM

"why do you sneeze, we don't do that Germany"

iLoveOncalltoday at 8:50 AM

Hayfever allergy rates are growing around the whole world, Germany included.