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okeuro49yesterday at 4:02 PM14 repliesview on HN

In the UK 30 people are arrested a day for social media posts online. Only about 10 percent resulting in convictions.

Police don't face criminal charges for this.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-make-30-arr...


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kimixayesterday at 5:35 PM

Note that the quoted laws also cover things that would be restraining or harassment orders in the USA.

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Manuel_Dyesterday at 4:05 PM

The UK has different speech laws than the United States. Presumably, the actions of the police making those arrests are within the scope of UK law. Even if 90% don't result in a conviction, the police may still be operating within the scope of their authority in those arrests.

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helsinkiandrewyesterday at 4:57 PM

Those 30 aren’t arrested for just for writing “social media posts” but for possibly “harmful communication including incitement to terrorism and violence, online threats and abuse, and unwanted communication via email and other means”

Of the 90% many will accept their fault and receive a caution or warning

Edit: and none of those cases would involve pretrial remand/jail

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jim33442yesterday at 7:22 PM

UK police aren't breaking laws by arresting people for those social media posts. They don't have free speech to begin with.

ndesaulniersyesterday at 5:55 PM

I find it ironic; George Orwell was English!

andrepdyesterday at 6:00 PM

What are these messages? Threatening your ex-wife? Plotting to commit arson? Or saying you don't like immigrants? They all fall under this umbrella, yet the vast majority of people would agree the first two are criminal in nature.

OGWhalesyesterday at 7:05 PM

My understanding is that saying anything "grossly offensive" is illegal there, so it's not clear those police were blatantly overstepping their authority like in the case from the OP.

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implementsyesterday at 5:45 PM

Excuse the whataboutism, but how many Americans are arrested for “disorderly conduct” each day? (Which from my YouTube police footage watching appears to be “being an annoying arsehole in public” [1] ie a broadly similar moral misbehaviour)

> [1] An overt act or conduct in public (or affecting the public) that disturbs the peace, safety, morals, or order (e.g., fighting, making unreasonable noise, using obscene/abusive language or gestures, obstructing traffic, creating hazardous/physically offensive conditions, refusing to disperse).

Our online laws which Americans often seem to view entirely through the lens of free speech are more about public (dis)order. It’s not ideas that are being censored, it’s personal conduct online which may be harassing, threatening, abusive or may create a breach of the peace.

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pembrookyesterday at 5:43 PM

It is similar in Germany, where you can be arrested for simply posting an insult (non-violent) to a politician. No police will face charges if you aren't convicted. And you will NEVER get a settlement.

I don't know why HN has become full of authoritarian anti-free-speech apologists. The current political divisions are turning people insane.

newaccountman2yesterday at 6:07 PM

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pbhjpbhjyesterday at 6:53 PM

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adampunkyesterday at 4:53 PM

That’s not Europe. They had a whole vote about it and everything!

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HDThoreaunyesterday at 4:55 PM

The UK doesn’t have free speech