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krzystoday at 1:53 PM7 repliesview on HN

So is the church...


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shawnhermanstoday at 2:49 PM

Former Catholic. I left the church for a variety of reasons, one of which being the child abuse scandal. I am aware of the Catholic Church's long and often sordid history. What I am trying to say is there is no love lost between me and the Catholic Church.

With that out of the way, the Pope is right. Knowledge should be used for the benefit of humanity and I don't think any of the big AI companies have our best interests in mind.

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mycalltoday at 2:18 PM

The church was a great archive of knowledge for the longest time. They were the powerful few too.

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Lerctoday at 2:51 PM

The Pro human AI Delcaration has as one of its list of denands

Child Protection: Companies must not be allowed to exploit children or undermine their wellbeing with AI interactions creating emotional attachment or leverage

I think it entirely consistent with many of the supporters of this statement that this leaves open the opportunity for the church to do it with AI, or indeed companies and the church to do it by other means.

dylan604today at 1:57 PM

I had a similar thought. Something about a splinter in someone's eye while a plank in your eye blah blah

lo_zamoyskitoday at 2:37 PM

So is the Church what? That the Church must serve humanity or that it is the "powerful few" as some here are saying?

In the first case, I claim that it has and that it does. I'm not sure how you can credibly claim otherwise. Only ideologically informed animosity could distort one's views here. If you know the mission of the Church, then I see no issue. Do members of the Church fail? Of course. Everyone does, and indeed this is captured best in the Christian acknowledgment that everyone is a sinner, without exception. Everyone falls short.

In the second case, I don't know what the implication is. Is it that the Church is one of the "powerful few" and therefore evil? The first question you must ask is what your notion of "power" here is. The second, whether the Church is actually powerful according to that definition. The third, whether you are falsely linking being one of the "powerful few" with being evil. The problem, after all, is not with power, but with the way power is used. In an ideal world, all power would be exercised morally, and all authority would have commensurate power.

I would say this: the Church has authority. Whether it has power depends on your definition of power and the particular historical epoch. It is not reduced to a simple boolean.

It's best to avoid cheap jabs that rely on boring and unthinking tropes that appeal to widespread prejudices rather than to informed reason.

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thibaut_barreretoday at 2:17 PM

Yes, but still: so is AI.

marapurutoday at 2:33 PM

Really? Classic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

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