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quadrifoliatetoday at 3:00 AM9 repliesview on HN

I don't understand why people make these hyperbolic jokes about guillotines. Violence is counterproductive; and not practical anyway. Joking about it just makes you feel great without actually doing anything.

There is a simple alternative. Vote; and educate your family and friends.

If you don't know what is on the ballot in the midterms, you are part of the problem. If you aren't starting a family conversation about how corporations are squeezing us, you are part of the problem.


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iteriatoday at 3:06 AM

Everyone talks about MLK, but no one points out that people were willing to listen because Malcom X was a looming threat if MLK failed. Yes vote, but the threat of violence is what makes voting a delighted option. That's why protests exist. They are reminders that peace is a choice.

Violent revolution has merit when peaceful means break down. The rise of the guillotine jokes are the first time that people are losing faith in the peaceful option. We should hope that our leaders don't make most of use disillusioned with the idea of a peaceful transfer of power.

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bandofthehawktoday at 3:22 AM

Violence is not always counterproductive

rickydrolltoday at 3:42 AM

So you are saying that I shouldn't start my artisanal guillotine business?

Believe me, I know what's on the ballot for the midterm in the state but it's not going to stop me from making dark snarky jokes.

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jchwtoday at 3:36 AM

I don't believe that activism actually generally works, and I am skeptical that voting works either.

Don't get me wrong. I do vote, and I believe that voting and activism can work, and even still does for a variety of things. But as for fighting against forces of corruption and tyranny, I believe activism is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle. Any grassroots efforts are in a horribly asymmetric battle against well-funded adversaries that will come back every year everywhere without fail to get their opening. And any hope we had of limiting corporate interests in politics has been decimated in the U.S. basically since Citizen's United — not that I really believe there wouldn't have been some other workaround had that not happened.

So yes, I believe grassroots activism largely doesn't work. The fact that the battle is so asymmetrical makes it even more asymmetrical by making people apathetic about and fatigued over activism, making it even less effective.

But people often turn their heads when there's violence.

Nobody wants violence, just like nobody wants to hit rock bottom. I believe truly that political violence is a very dark place that will be no fun for anyone involved that I personally do not want to be a part of in any way. But, it just is the case that things will get worse before they get ~~much worse~~ better.

I see it as a question of if and not when until structural changes occur that durably improve upon the asymmetry of political activism. And in that case, it's not a matter of whether or not, it's a matter of getting it the hell over with.

I don't know how the fuck these stupid Flock "safety" cameras got here, but I have a pretty good guess how they'll disappear.

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mcmcmctoday at 4:24 AM

How is it hyperbolic when it’s human history?

anigbrowltoday at 3:09 AM

Violence has been very productive for the ruling class. Voting sounds nice but evidence abounds about the mendacity of politicians and their willingness to subvert or overrule voters' preferences if sufficient money or status is to be had. You can say 'well vote those people out if they ignore the voters' but once a new reality has set in the politicians often gainan incumbency advantageor have lined up a cushy post-retirement gig.

vkoutoday at 3:12 AM

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nekusartoday at 4:09 AM

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dlev_pikatoday at 4:14 AM

I mean, it’s not something anonymous edgy twitter accounts have come up with. There is ample historic precedence on the trend.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." - Jefferson