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manoDevtoday at 2:43 PM6 repliesview on HN

Isn't there some kind of law to disallow imports without a CE / RoHS / etc label? Why allow it to enter the EU, and then fine the seller afterwards?


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MobiusHorizonstoday at 2:48 PM

Are you suggesting opening every package to check for a CE? I think fining after the fact is how those laws are enforced.

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s_devtoday at 3:02 PM

The fine is the application of the law. Would be like getting arrested and demanding to know why the authorities aren't getting involved.

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TazeTSchnitzeltoday at 3:31 PM

With a few exceptions, those labels do not mean that the product has actually been tested or actually complies with the standard. They are a self-certification: CE means “I promise this complies with European norms”, but the entity deciding to print that on a product may not be honest. Small fly-by-night operations on the other side of the planet have little incentive to be honest.

Generally speaking, international direct-to-consumer e-commerce is a problem for trying to enforce these kinds of rules. The whole model of checks at the border works well for massive bulk shipments, which not only are few enough in number that customs have a chance of doing a proper job on them, but there's also a commercial importer taking a large financial risk on the shipment and therefore 1) having an incentive to ensure they import something safe to begin with, 2) they can be practically fined/sued by authorities if they screw up. But when you have myriad tiny operations selling direct to consumers, the consumer is the importer, and there's no local representative for the manufacturer that you can actually sue. It's effectively a quite lawless area. Being able to do direct imports is an important freedom, and this kind of laxity is inevitable, but it's understandable the EU wants to do something about the flood of poor-quality goods that are terrible for fair competition, the environment, and health and safety.

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saaaaaamtoday at 4:20 PM

Who says the products don’t have fake CE labels stuck on? A CE label does not - as far as I can tell - have any security features.

dwrobertstoday at 2:51 PM

They add fake labels, this has been happening for a long time

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lefratoday at 3:00 PM

For electronics without wireless functionality, it is allowed to self-certify. Anyone could also print whatever label they want on their products illegally (i.e. without doing the required paperwork to self-certify).

The policemen controlling imports don't have the competency to check for faults, so we get this situation where specialists regularly sample the products, and heavy fines are issued to the importer.

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