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Aurornistoday at 4:31 PM7 repliesview on HN

> If it turns out the uber-rich don't mind paying and this becomes a cash cow for the city, that creates incentives for the city to cater to them and try and get more uber-rich people to have second homes in the city.

The tax is reasonably small enough that I wouldn't expect a lot of wealthy people from divesting from their properties, but it's probably going to make them think twice about buying new properties.

That second-order effect is the important balancing act for any locality-based wealth tax. If you make the tax too high it starts discouraging the behavior you're taxing, which can paradoxically reduce overall tax revenue.

France discovered this the hard way when they implemented their first wealth tax: Many ultra-wealthy people moved their capital out of France to avoid the tax, which was suspected to have had an overall decreasing effect on tax revenue from that demographic. They replaced the wealth tax with a property tax, which probably played a large role in inspiring this pied-à-terre policy.


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jamiequinttoday at 4:35 PM

"If you make the tax too high it starts discouraging the behavior you're taxing, which can paradoxically reduce overall tax revenue."

I am generally against more taxes, but the structure of this one is quite good in terms of the incentives. If wealthy people who only live in the city part-time stay in hotels instead of buying second homes, the net effect should be to increase the cost of hotel rooms and reduce the cost of owned-housing. NYC charges nearly 10% tax on hotel stays, so recoups some of the cost there. Having property in your city mostly being occupied by people who live their full time, particularly when property is already very expensive, seems like a good thing overall.

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MSFT_Edgingtoday at 4:48 PM

I'm not sure why if you or I were to expatriate and let go of our US citizenship, we'd still be on the hook for taxes for (iirc) 15 years, but the ultra wealthy can get away with tax havens while remaining citizenship and reaping the benefits of protection by X state.

What prevents the tax following the offshoring attempts? Is it simply that the IRS doesn't have the manpower? or is there a legal loophole for avoiding paying your share that only works for the ultra wealthy?

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sandeepkdtoday at 4:51 PM

I think its a good idea in general to tax the second property for any country where housing is a struggle. Its usage based taxation so fair in some sense. Housing is somewhat of a critical asset for a normal safe life. Commercialization of housing properties creates a circular effect on the pricing, thereby increasing the cost of almost everything else.

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blactuarytoday at 4:47 PM

The goal of this isn't simply to raise revenue, it's also to discourage parking money in empty properties when it's one of the most expensive cities to live in and doesn't have enough housing

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WalterBrighttoday at 4:48 PM

> If you make the tax too high it starts discouraging the behavior you're taxing, which can paradoxically reduce overall tax revenue.

The Law of Supply and Demand is not a paradox.

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pydrytoday at 4:41 PM

Land value taxes don't discourage desirable behavior when raised.

Property taxes might discourage construction but if land values are high enough then property taxes approximate land value taxes.

Raising income tax on the other hand discourages working even when it is set very low. This is one which ought to be lowered if anything.

tl;dr it doesnt work the same way for every tax.

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selfhoster1312today at 7:14 PM

> France discovered this the hard way when they implemented their first wealth tax

Citation needed (for a solid study, not right-wing propaganda from CNews/Libération). From a quick cursory look, it appears the French government had no problem raising taxes when the taxes were higher, and that the previous governments who reduced taxes for the rich setting blame on public debt have in fact increased public debt over and over. (disclaimer: i'm not an economist)

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