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Jerry2today at 12:16 PM12 repliesview on HN

Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? US grants are the biggest and most generous in the world. I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that. Other option is China but as a foreigner, you will never get a grant there unless you work for someone else.


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OtherShrezzingtoday at 1:06 PM

> I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that

Do you mean that the EU spends 1/10th that, rather than Europe? Because France, Germany and the UK all spend €100-150bn each in grants depending on how you set your definition, and that’s atop the EU’s grant money.

Just eyeballing the figures across different countries, it looks like the USG distributes approximately the same amount in grants per capita as the EU & UK. Certainly not a 90% diff.

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throw0101ctoday at 12:39 PM

> Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research?

If the choice is between $0 in the US and >$0 someplace else, you emigrate to >$0 if you want to continue your research.

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buildfocustoday at 1:34 PM

Europe is the obvious answer. As others have posted, your numbers here are way off. And on the flip side, there's now some major programs actively encouraging this with special grants, support, relocation bonuses: e.g. ATRAE in Spain, EURAXESS, "Choose Europe For Science", Max Planck Transatlantic Programme.

coldteatoday at 1:15 PM

>I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that

Way off, it's way closer, even if we're just talking EU. EU (the body) alone is about 200 billion/year. EU member states are like 1-1.5 trillion/year.

bhokbahtoday at 1:04 PM

1/10th?

US: $848B (2024)

EU: $508B (2024)

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UK: $102B (2023)

Switzerland: $22B (2023)

Norway: $8.2B (2024)

OECD "Gross domestic spending on R&D"

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scrollawaytoday at 1:38 PM

Europe.

We fund science, research and we have accelerated programs for researchers affected by these kinds of things.

If you're interested, email me (see profile). I have been helping Americans emigrate to Europe (for free) for several years.

biophysboytoday at 1:36 PM

That number is for the United States, not the United States government

croestoday at 3:50 PM

> USG spends over $900 Billion every year

If you spend $900 Billions on BS you will lose to other countries that only spend 1/100th of that.

Quantity over quality doesn’t work in science because reality doesn’t care who paid how much.

tuwtuwtuwtuwtoday at 12:19 PM

I think his main point was that the art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.

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gmerctoday at 12:44 PM

the US used to spend. Now borligarchs decide.

skywhoppertoday at 1:05 PM

Does the US spend that much anymore? How much are you willing to compromise the integrity of your research to get your slice of what’s left?

tchallatoday at 1:35 PM

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