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toast0today at 3:26 PM0 repliesview on HN

> also that an emergency room visit can be expensive rather than specifically what the insurance is meant to cover is nuts.

This part is basically a matter of degree. If I have full coverage on my car and total it in a single car accident, insurance will replace it, but I have to cover the deductable ($500-$2000 usually).

If I go to the emergency room, health insurance will cover it, but there's a deductable of like $50-$500 depending on the plan. That's a lot of money if you could have dealt with your issue at urgent care (usually half the deductable) or later at a GP. It's not a lot of money compared to what the ER bills your insurance for most things. Having doctors, nurses, pharmacy, and support staff onsite 24/7 with backups on call in order to handle 'anything', proof of ability to pay not required, is exensive and the costs get placed on the users that can pay.

That's not to say it's not shit. My favorite is when you go to urgent care, but they can't do whatever it is you need done, so they send you to the ER, and you get to pay the deductable for urgent care, then the deductable for the ER, then get the mailer for your insurance 'did you know, you can go to urgent care instead of the ER?' ... My next favorite is when you show up to urgent care at 10 am and they tell you they're all booked for the day.

But, I don't know what we're supposed to do if we don't like it. Refusing to participate doesn't make the system better. Half of the country votes for a party that's unwilling to make things better; the other half votes for a party that's might try once a generation. The only hope we have is to qualify for Medicare and make it to Medicare age, and live somewhere where there's enough Medicare accepting doctors to take care of things at that age.