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hackeraccountyesterday at 4:16 PM4 repliesview on HN

Isn't "data centers are using all the electricity" the same as "we're not pricing electricity correctly"?

Instead of a ban just make sure they pay what's needed to keep capacity where it needs to be.


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everdriveyesterday at 4:18 PM

On this note, I'm actually confused about why datacenters raise electric costs. Why doesn't the data center bear an extra cost for the added infrastructure?

If I build a house on undeveloped land and the electric company needs to run lines, do I also (in a much smaller way than a data center) increase the costs for all other customers? Is everything always just spread evenly?

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Ensorceledyesterday at 4:20 PM

In many places there is little excess capacity. Many protesters know that their electricity prices, like gas prices, will soar and price them out of AC.

petsfedyesterday at 4:50 PM

Well, no.

First, increased demand drives increased prices. This is the least controversial axiom of modern economic theory. So if you add a huge power consumer to a market, all consumers in that market will have to pay more. You can mitigate that some if that new, big consumer builds their own power facility, but the fact still remains that the local price in fuel (oil, coal, etc) or materials for renewable generators (turbins, solar panels, etc) will increase. Again, because demand increased.

Second, its one thing for things to cost more in a market that has a booming economy and plenty of high paying jobs. Home prices in the Bay Area are horrifying, but the poverty line for a family of 4 is $80k, which sort of grounds things. If energy costs go up by $100/year in the Bay Area, nobody notices. But if energy costs suddenly skyrocket in Great Falls, Montana (poverty line for 4: $33k) or similar that lacks a vibrant economy, the residents don't have much choice but to tighten their belts over the suddenly larger electric bill that has done basically nothing to actually revitalize their economy.

cute_boiyesterday at 4:40 PM

Politicians are bribed by these companies, so why would they price electricity correctly?