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maxbondtoday at 8:07 AM1 replyview on HN

Who have you ever heard make a sincere, good faith argument that a toaster is conscious? Who do you imagine would argue against you if you asserted they were mere automata?

If you can't identify anyone, then this analogy doesn't work.


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bayindirhtoday at 8:15 AM

> Who have you ever heard make a sincere, good faith argument that a toaster is conscious?

More than one, for many classes of devices, incl. toasters. Some were drunk, some were insane, and some were delusional.

LLMs are no different. They are automata, yet delusional people bring out pitchforks and torches when someone points out that they are just statistical models, and they don't even work when there's no input to them.

Which is very different than consciousness.

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