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SilverElfintoday at 2:48 AM2 repliesview on HN

So what are you proposing? Are you saying Hamas did not perform the October 7 attack? That they were mind controlled? Or … ? This feels like over the top conspiracy theory.

To me it’s obvious where blame lies. Gaza residents voted Hamas into power, despite Hamas’s vile charter pledging erasure of Israel and Jews and so on. Hamas then spent more than a decade launching tens of thousands of rocket attacks against civilian targets in Israel.

The mass murder and rape of October 7 was completely in character for Hamas. And for people saying Hamas isn’t the same as the residents of Gaza - look at footage from October 7 where the streets were full of Gazans cheering as the dead naked bodies of women, with blood on their genitalia, were paraded through Gaza city.

All of this speaks to October 7 being exactly an attack launched by Hamas of its own volition, with the support of Gazans.

As for this:

> Anyone who's been to and seen the Gaza border knows how impossible it is to cross - unless of course there was some inside permittance.

They used paragliders. This is well known. They don’t have to climb walls with barbed wire if they fly over them.


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atmavatartoday at 4:24 AM

> Gaza residents voted Hamas into power, despite Hamas’s vile charter pledging erasure of Israel and Jews and so on.

Reminder:

* The last parlimentary election held in Palestine was 2006 [1].

* The median age in Palestine as of 2023 was 19.8 [2].

* The voting age in Palestine is 21 [1].

In other words, the majority of the population today were born after the last major election, and they aren't voting age now, let alone at the time of the last election. When you account for people who were voting age in the last elections, the number of people still around today is a rather small minority. It shrinks even further when you consider that Hamas only got 44% of the votes for Parliament (alas, due to how district votes are handled, that gave Hamas 74 of 132 seats).

Given that, I'm a little less sure about holding the current population of Palestine responsible for Hamas. You could argue they should be doing more to displace Hamas, but perhaps that can wait until after they're done worrying about starving to death or being shot by IDF snipers while accepting food from aid workers.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine

2. https://ourworldindata.org/profile/population-demography/pal...

See also: https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians...

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pillefitztoday at 4:01 AM

This is not the point OP wanted to make, and you seem smart enough to understand that.