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vrganjyesterday at 11:08 AM7 repliesview on HN

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pu_peyesterday at 12:27 PM

Here is another scenario. You mobilize your local community or even country to choose option 1, communal ownership. Then another country or region follows path 2. If option 2 is more productive (maybe because you redirected productivity gains towards wellbeing instead of more compute) you are toast, you now have a sort of Cold War scenario where eventually the technofeudalists will have the upper hand and could outcompete or destroy the technocommunalists or whatever you want to call them.

Note that I am not shitting on the idea of option 1 at all, in fact personally I would very much like to see it succeed. I just think this is more of a global issue than a local one.

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jappgaryesterday at 11:22 AM

The AI boosters imagine they'll be annointed and rewarded by their new overlords.

That's why they're obsessed (to the point of psychosis) with "mastering" the new technique.

That's why they're all building a "harness".

What they don't realize is that the ironworker still ends up in chains.

poloticsyesterday at 11:23 AM

IMHO that is the most likely of the many dystopian robots-replace-humans scenario:

The AI-enhanced become more and more AI-integrated and internally AI-fused and they don't even realize they eventually are not humans at all.

The non-AI underclass just hasn't got enough access to resources to survive long term and dies out with a whimper.

dncyesterday at 11:45 AM

I attribute the excitement of the VC and CEO cast to the same underlying motive, but I think there are at least several other ways all this could play out:

- the Cul-de-Sac: AI progress flattens as scaling data and compute, RL and algorithmic improvements hit diminishing returns.

- democratization: LLMs decentralize, mirroring the shift from mainframes to personal computers.

- AI creates new jobs and thus new dependencies for the capitalist class

- Any combination of the above.

red75primeyesterday at 12:12 PM

> 1) communal ownership of the means of production, e.g. of compute

As every communist, you forget about economics of such a system. How would you prevent concentration of capital in this system? Planned economy? Planned by whom?

petesergeantyesterday at 11:17 AM

> It's time to make your choice

Clearly you feel you've made yours, so what are you doing differently now to what you did before?

dist-epochyesterday at 11:38 AM

You should read Nick Land, you've only went half-way with the argument.

The capitalist class doesn't control Capital, Capital controls the capitalist class.