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epolanskilast Monday at 9:17 PM4 repliesview on HN

Where are the full ones?

Working age population is decreasing in Europe. It's only really major cities that suffer under development, and even among them it's just some, not the majority.

And despite all the bitching, even extra-EU immigrants are a huge resource for most European countries. In Italy e.g. extra-EU immigrants contribute to 14% of taxes and receive less than 2% of benefits, as many of them come here as young adults and leave before qualifying for pension anyway so the bulk of social services (school and healthcare) is essentially largely subsidized by immigrants.

In Germany extra-EU immigrants are on average net contributors to welfare state too.

Yes, many among them stay poor, don't integrate and tend to fall for minor, petty and some for violent crime.

What you hear little about are the insane dangers of organized crime like Italians and Albanians on the other hand, because they move hundreds of billions and are a drag to the economy in most of Europe.


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xenonitelast Monday at 11:00 PM

> In Germany extra-EU immigrants are on average net contributors to welfare state too.

Interesting. By what cost does this measure loss of freedom due to increased surveillance, decreased freedom of movement especially for women. Also increased cost and decreasing quality of police, law, education, or even street cleaning…

azan_last Tuesday at 10:33 AM

Extra-EU immigrants are not uniform group. E.g. in Denmark non-western migrants at some point are (weakly) positive net contributors to public finances, but MENAPT immigrants are on avg. net negative their entire life. https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1424,quality=8...

dmitrygrlast Tuesday at 12:46 AM

> In Germany extra-EU immigrants are on average net contributors to welfare state too.

All the data I find shows them contributing less than natives, and even MORE less if corrected for age. https://www.econstor.eu/handle/10419/232517

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throwaway2037last Tuesday at 4:16 PM

    > In Italy e.g. extra-EU immigrants contribute to 14% of taxes and receive less than 2% of benefits
This is wild. Who are they and what kind of work are they doing? I would like to learn more about this phenom.