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JeremyNTtoday at 1:20 PM4 repliesview on HN

It's all extremely dystopian and I don't see how things improve. The handful of megacorps that have access to the compute and troves of stolen IP to train their secret models on have no incentive to contribute back.

They say their models are too dangerous for the public, so they can nerf the GA versions while allowing only their preferred megacorp or nation state partners access to the real secret good versions.

We can hope the Chinese open weight models will catch up, but if/when they really reach parity with proprietary frontier models you can bet they'll stop releasing their weights too. They don't do this stuff out of the kindness of their hearts.

It's tough to imagine what might possibly derail this.


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zozbot234today at 2:52 PM

Realistically, local/open weight models will always be limited in idiosyncratic world knowledge compared to the proprietary frontier. There's just very limited upside to releasing tens or hundreds of terabytes of open weights for something that literally can only run in very large AI data centers, and Fable/Mythos is near enough to that class. Smaller models can be smart in very real ways, but the extent to which those "smarts" can apply to real-world problems will be limited.

someothherguyytoday at 1:49 PM

> It's tough to imagine what might possibly derail this.

Public utilities?

logancbrowntoday at 1:55 PM

Chinese open weight models will be forced to do the same to remain competitive with other frontier labs. The moat is data going forward.

niccetoday at 1:56 PM

> The handful of megacorps that have access to the compute and troves of stolen IP to train their secret models on have no incentive to contribute back.

Meta and Anthropic both trained on pirated books and there were not required to destroy their models. I simply don't get it. It just encourages to do things first and see later what happens. Regulations are just a small business cost.