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cogman10yesterday at 11:29 PM5 repliesview on HN

Could be wrong, but AFAIK the CATL Sodium batteries haven't yet hit LFP pricing.

You are unlikely to see a vehicle with sodium batteries until after that happens, and it needs to be significantly less than LFPs as you Na batteries have more weight per Wh. I believe they also have a shorter lifespan (but not NMC short). Edit correction, looks like CATL is promising 15000 cycles, which is much longer than LFPs which usually come in at 7000 to 10000.

It seems far more likely to me that if the Na prices tank, you'll probably first see them deployed as grid and home battery solutions.


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Manuel_Dyesterday at 11:56 PM

The energy density of LFP batteries are also 30-50% higher than sodium based battery chemistries. Even if sodium battery prices drop, the lower energy density is a big disadvantage. My understanding is that sodium batteries are aimed at stationary use-cases, like battery buffers for fast charging.

MaKeyyesterday at 11:43 PM

One of the most interesting features of sodium batteries is that they still perform good in cold temperatures.

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gpmtoday at 12:02 AM

They're promising to start selling a Qiyuan A06 variant with Sodium batteries sometime this year... so if you went looking you could probably see one... or will be able to soon.

nine_kyesterday at 11:50 PM

Looks ideal for a power wall at home.

AtlasBarfedyesterday at 11:55 PM

Superior temperature range in cold weather as well IIRC.