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Finally they will pay for all the scaremongering they been doing to sell their models as something so much ahead of all else.

Now they finally found the right fools in audience to believe it.


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holmesworcestertoday at 2:12 AM

The idea that AI companies scaremonger to sell models is a silly meme.

Both OpenAI and Anthropic were founded by people who sincerely believed in the risk of out-of-control superintelligence. This is part of a clear historical record that is available for anyone to Google. Whether you agree or not, we have no reason to believe their statements about risks are insincere.

Arbitrary imposition of export controls is also part of the history of frontier tech. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

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maplethorpetoday at 1:42 AM

This is good PR for them. They get to tweet about how scary and powerful their models are in the lead up to their IPO.

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avaertoday at 1:24 AM

This affects more than just Anthropic. It's a game of thrones and everyone using this technology loses. I wouldn't cheer for that.

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Salgattoday at 2:30 AM

It's ironic isn't it? All the marketing of how dangerous and powerful Mythos is and the government went "bet".

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ifwintercotoday at 2:39 AM

Yeah is funny anthropic going overboard with "omg this model is so dangerous guys!!!" and then the US government going "okay... well, that sounds bad, let's ban it".

Serves them right

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averysmallbirdtoday at 2:39 AM

This is OpenAI and Meta using their leverage over the White House to screw over their competitor.

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pluralmonadtoday at 2:16 AM

They obviously want heavy regulation to make sure they do not have to compete long term. This is all just part of the base strategy.

neuronexmachinatoday at 1:06 AM

Based on this, it seems like the Trump admin would have targeted them even without the "scaremongering":

> To date, the government has only given us verbal evidence of a potential narrow, non-universal jailbreak, which essentially consists of asking the model to read a specific codebase and fix any software flaws. Our understanding is that one potential jailbreak was shared with the government. We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe.

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hnlurker22today at 3:27 AM

I can only imagine how many engineers got fired when fable came out

bluerooibostoday at 1:55 AM

Probably a marketing ploy. Inflate the value even more before an IPO, and Daddy Trump and his friends make a few $$$.

It'll be "resolved" within a few days.

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rvztoday at 1:15 AM

This is what Anthropic wanted and they want this to apply to all other frontier models providers (including themselves) that release powerful models.

> As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.

They ultimately got what they wanted.

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0000000000100today at 2:13 AM

Are you kidding man? Have you tried the new model for coding? It's absolutely incredible. After using it, I really see why they were so concerned. The jump in my workflows feels as large as the jump from 3.5 to 4o (OpenAI). It's just that good.

Issues I'd been kinda circling around for weeks, long standing errors in some long-running sync operations for a project I'm working on, all solved the same day the model dropped. Just incredible. And it's effectively a lot more token efficient I find as well (less so with sub-agents). Just areas where Opus 4.8 would occassionally get confused or venture down the wrong direction, just doesn't happen nearly as much as with Fable 5.

Like what is everyone who is dissing on this model / Anthropic using day to day? For me it's just an incredible jump in intelligence. So much so and so quickly after the modest bump from 4.8, that I really can understand why they are starting to shout warnings.

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scriptsmithtoday at 1:22 AM

And now is this going to be a one-off, or routine with every new generation of models?

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greatgibtoday at 1:20 AM

I would more easily guess that it is a revenge of Trump for Anthropic humiliating him when he wanted to use it without control for military purpose. And indeed it used against them their own marketing allegations.

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unethical_bantoday at 3:00 AM

I can't tell whether you think Fable/Mythos aren't capable, you think it's good the US government is shutting down this business model of all things for "safety", or both. Either way, ick.

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bbortoday at 2:26 AM

They never claimed to be “so much ahead”, they just claimed to be honest.

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optimalsolvertoday at 1:07 AM

Would be funny if they got themselves nationalized.

I mean, better safe than sorry, right Dario?

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EnPissanttoday at 12:59 AM

Pay? This is the best marketing they could have hoped for.

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ihswtoday at 1:44 AM

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SubiculumCodetoday at 1:23 AM

You call it scare-mongering. Others, serious thinkers and leaders in the AI and national security space, believe, maybe not scare-mongering enough.

AI is a national security issue. Best accept that as fact, or you won't see it coming.

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