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milkshakesyesterday at 4:34 PM3 repliesview on HN

vpns typically add at least one hop. this has the possibility of connecting directly via hole punching


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tux3yesterday at 4:41 PM

Modern VPNs based on wireguard can do direct connections with hole punching. It's just a lot more work to setup on your own, or you have to sign-up to a SaaS like tailscale and use their relays, and they'll do the hole punching for you.

Here this is a decentralized network with a lot of existing public relays. But in principle a VPN can solve a lot of the same problems. It's just that commercial VPNs are not decentralized, and doing your own wireguard setup is a pain.

kkapelonyesterday at 4:42 PM

Already possible with taiscale, netmaker, zerotier etc.

https://tailscale.com/blog/how-nat-traversal-works

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UltraSaneyesterday at 5:59 PM

Cisco Dynamic Multipoint VPN will start by connecting to a central VPN server and then learn the public IPs of endpoints and automatically create VPN tunnels to them. It can scale to thousands of endpoints.