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taylortbbyesterday at 8:44 PM0 repliesview on HN

> Honestly, at this point, having natural disasters with destruction and death is probably the only way to make people care

We already have them. People just claim they're chance effects with no connection to climate change.

The problem with refuting it is that they are chance events, there's no way to definitively say "this was caused by climate change", because it's always possible it would have happened anyways. It's the upwards trend in frequency and severity that we can definitively point and say "that's caused by climate change", but that's too abstract for most people to understand.