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mvdtnzyesterday at 10:31 PM2 repliesview on HN

I don't see how it's relevant. I couldn't possibly have made it any more clear I would not buy a Google device, new or used, because I don't like Google.


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dredmorbiustoday at 4:01 AM

That's a value judgement, and it's a fair one. It does throw an additional constraint in the works though.

FWIW, I've been looking at the mobile / portable computing space fairly intensively for a month or so. I share your quite dim view of Google.

GrapheneOS does seem to be one of the most attractive Android alternatives.

There are also Lineage (based on CyanogenMod), AOSP, KaiOS (based on AOSP, via Firefox OS), LightOS (by Lightphone, AOSP), AphyOS (used by Punkt. mp03, also based on AOSP). These tend to be minimal, used on feature phones / dumbphones / minimalist phones. And there are /e/OS and iodéOS.

Among Linux-based non-Android options are Sailfish OS (Jolla), Ubuntu Touch (Ubuntu), PineOS (Pinephone), and PureOS (Purism), Tizen, Mobian (based on Debian), postMarketOS (based on Alpine Linux). These tend to be maximalist, offering a fuller experience than Android, with support for native Linux applications and configurations.

There are some non-Linux OSes, of which I'm aware of System 30+ (a/k/a S30+, Nokia), OpenHarmony (by Huawei), and ... something described as "realtime OS" or "RTOS" which actually had a name, for a Japanese flip phone, but which has slipped my mind (probably something reviewed by Jose Briones on his YouTube channel).

And of course there's iOS.

Briones by the way is an absolutely excellent resource: <https://josebriones.org/>. He's also one of the mods of /r/dumbphones at Reddit.

There are trade-offs, and what you choose depends on what you value, in the marketplace, in capabilities, in your own peace of mind.

If you want a full-featured device with wide acceptance, few limitations, and want nothing to do with Google, look at iOS devices.

If you want (nearly) full Android capabilities, but without Google's prying eyes and ears, GrapheneOS or LineageOS are probably your best bets. Whilst Graphene currently only works on Google Pixel devices, there's been a partnership announced with Motorola, there may be others in future (my speculation, with no other basis). And ironic as it seems, Graphene + Pixel actually does get you further from Google in many ways, though I still understand your position.

If you want full freedom / maximal privacy, and are prepared to make compromises on capabilities and battery life, look at one of the Linux-based, non-Android options. I've heard of quite a few bugs with these.

If you're looking for specific hardware capabilities (e-ink, folding / candybar, keyboard (T-9, qwerty, ...), small, large, tablet, headphone jack, etc., etc., or specific software capabilities, you're going to further refine your search. (Briones has a Dumbphone Finder at his website which does this pretty well.)

If you want modularity or repairability, there are devices such as Fairphone or Keyphone with (some) replaceable components.

If you want minimalism, look at an AOSP-based device, or perhaps S30+. These will give you feature phones capable of calls, texts, and a few apps, but not much else. For more complete computing you'll need either a desktop or a laptop.

There are more extreme options. I'm considering, for example, whether or not a roving SIP WiFi-only phone might be an option, and if so, what would be necessary to make that work. It would rely on a WiFi network provider (public or non-public network, or a cellular modem), and wouldn't function everywhere but should function in many locations sufficiently to be useful.

Most non-smartphone options I've looked at, and in particular the usual "dumbphone" suspects (Light Phone, Punkt.) tend to run an AOSP-based OS, with Nokia being the principle exception.

Briones FWIW uses the Light Phone III as his daily driver. That's somewhat spendy, and quite minimal, but he has his reasons, discussed at length at his blog and YT channel.

I'm leaning fairly strongly toward an option now, though my main hesitation is that KaiOS devices have very limited phone/SMS spam and/or traffic management. I'd prefer known-contacts-only could reach the device, that doesn't seem to be possible (KaiOS has only specific-caller blocking, and apparently a limited API for enabling more robust phone blocking). On the flipside, the device can be powered off, and/or battery removed.... I'm also looking at some VOIP/SIP options.

prmoustacheyesterday at 10:52 PM

I am not sure why you even consider an android based OS then.

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