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mmoosstoday at 4:01 AM1 replyview on HN

That's not an argument: You don't specify which values, don't address my argument, and just repeat an old trope of dictators and their apologists with no support.

> Plenty of societies happily trade away one or more of those values for other values.

Which ones? Let's hear some evidence.

People around the world strongly embrace and defend their freedom, including self-determination; the idea that it's not universal (in any meaningful sense) has little support. It's embraced wherever people have the opportunity in Europe and N. America, in East Asia, in China (Taiwan, and also Hong Kong until it was taken from them), S. America, SE Asia, South Asia, a variety of places in Africa, ... you can see the mass protests in Iran, the Arab Spring, etc.

And rationally, again, why should you or anyone else tell me what to do? On that basis, why can't I just as well tell you or them what to do?

Human rights' universality is essential - without it, it's just people fighting for power. That's why it's so important, and that's why those who want to control others try to attack the universality.


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inigyoutoday at 4:52 AM

Democracy isn't freedom. It's quite easily possible for a democracy to be non-free (many current examples) or for a non-democracy to be free (not as many).

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