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tmoerteltoday at 6:18 PM7 repliesview on HN

Yeah, this is a promising solution to scalping. Previously, if you had only small numbers of consoles available at launch, scalpers and their bots would claim a large share of them. With Valve's new policy, that share is reduced to s/g, where s is the number of verified Steam accounts controlled by scalpers and g is the number of legit gamer accounts. Since s is likely to be much less than g, s/g is close to zero, and scalping is dramatically curtailed. Almost all of the initial batch of consoles will go to legit gamers.


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oh_notoday at 7:37 PM

so i think you're a bit off. it's s/g but g is legit accounts who want to buy the steam machine.

we could say it's 5000 scalper accounts, and 50000000 gamer accounts. but it's not 5000/50000000, it's like 4500/20000. which isn't bad! but scalpers will still be way over-represented, because they'll be trying to buy it when most steam accounts won't.

now one fuzz factor is the queue system, as you're not putting down money to get in line i expect a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise sign up will, in case they decide to buy one when given the chance. so we might have 40000 gamer sign ups, but only 50% will pull the trigger. this also gives scalpers an out should the resale not be worth it.

(obviously all numbers made up)

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hiccuphippotoday at 6:29 PM

This is also possible because they are only selling through their website, while other consoles go through retailers. I'd actually prefer a retailer just for doing this over one that was first come first serve.

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inigyoutoday at 6:36 PM

Fusion Festival (happening this week), aka European Burning Man (but not exactly) does this.

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ajmurmanntoday at 7:00 PM

Does it solve scalping? It seems like there is still money in sighing up with the goal to resell. Granted this is better in that I don't have to race the scalpers.

Till the sales price matches the market value scalping will exist. The best way to address that is a vickery auction. Till then scalping will continue.

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numpad0today at 7:31 PM

It's surprising that the whole Western world is discovering the threat of organized or scripted scalping just now, when it's been a problem in places like Japan for over a decade. Account age requirements, lotteries, quick subject matter quizzes to chase away hired line-sitters, hidden ID code on tickets to ban scalpers on auction site pics, randomized queues for sales page etc etc has all been in use for years. It's been so commonplace that various city-run COVID free vaccine programs had different forms of them.

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gdhkgdhkvfftoday at 6:26 PM

So what you’re saying is we should see an increase in account hijacks and spamming account creation as scalpers now try to optimize for max s.

Show me the incentive structure and…

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baggy_troughtoday at 6:25 PM

Scalping is a good thing, because it gets consoles in the hands of those who want them the most, as evidenced by willingness to pay.

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