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secretsloltoday at 4:32 AM4 repliesview on HN

Am I right in thinking this is a tiny model which has been trained well to reason, and that's it? Makes me think of a smart person who doesn't know anything about a given topic, but with the right tools will go and research the heck out of it. I really like the sound of this... why have models train on learning anything when you can just train them how to learn and let them get on with it from something as small as a Pi Zero and an internet connection.


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kitdtoday at 9:22 AM

"The right tools" in this case might presumably include, eg, a set of repos + docs and specs on the various technologies being used. Or a library of text/images and background docs on style and techniques use to create them.

That plus this model should give you a very powerful and focussed assistant.

numlock86today at 4:56 AM

This has been my dream ever since. Instead of encoding "all the knowledge" into those parameters, how about just making a model that has the same size, but all (or rather most) it does is reasoning? Just give it the ability to browse the net (e.g. language specifications, documentation and best practices) and just have it do its thing. Why does my coding agent need to know the population of New York, know a cheese cake recipe or the general lifespan of an ostrich? Just give it the bare minimum knowledge to think and reason about, and let it figure out the rest.

Sadly that's not how LLMs work, since all they do is "token prediction". At least the models we have to today ...

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Lerctoday at 6:18 AM

I think you could probably train a model to consider boolean logic, modal logic, and mathematics reasonably well, but there is still a pretty big leap between that and thinking about things.

Even the most basic questions such as put a ball in a cup and place it on a table upside down then pick up the cup and put it in a box.

Requires knowledge of things not mentioned in the question (notably gravity).

Strict definition of all terms quickly gets you into a quagmire of complexity. Some base level of knowledge about things is required for you to give it instructions. If it only knows how to reason, it lacks any idea of what to aim to achieve.

There is quite a pronounced disconnect between the vast stores of written data that models are trained on and robust consideration of a topic. I do wonder if the path can be directed by the order of training.

For example if you train a model to basic literacy using tinystories, then math and philosopy texts, then psychology, and sociology texts, and then finally the mass data of everything from conversations and rants, to code and fiction.

Does that end up with a significantly different model to one that is trained on books on acting, creative writing, and fantasy novels, before introducing the same final mass data set.

How much does it's current ability allow it to contextualise new training data?

altmanaltmantoday at 6:05 AM

Yeah but don't you think like that's an oversimplication with the metaphor if we assume this model can do a smart human-level analysis and distillation of knowledge, no? I mean if that were true (i.e. its just like that) then yeah there is no need for massive models but I really would doubt that.

Even recent massive models do not work anything like a smart human does at the moment so why are we assuming this can?