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bell-cotlast Wednesday at 8:42 PM5 repliesview on HN

> Perhaps the real question isn’t: Why does H-E-B do so many nice things for the state? But: Why aren’t more companies like H-E-B?

> ... in this company’s nearly 120-year history, it’s remained family-owned and operated.

It has been more than a century since the American legal system told publicly-owned companies "Don't Be Good"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.


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throw0101ayesterday at 2:38 PM

> It has been more than a century since the American legal system told publicly-owned companies "Don't Be Good"

The American legal system did no such thing in the Dodge ruling: as stated in the Wikipedia article itself, the 'pay shareholders' idea was in the obiter dictum (non-binding remark) portion.

And as recently as Burwell v Hobby Lobby, the Supreme Court said:

> While it is certainly true that a central objective of for-profit corporations is to make money, modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else, and many do not do so. For-profit corporations, with ownership approval, support a wide variety of charitable causes, and it is not at all uncommon for such corporations to further humanitarian and other altruistic objectives.

* http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/13-354.html

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwell_v._Hobby_Lobby_Stores,....

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larrydagyesterday at 1:59 PM

Shareholder primacy is a drain on so many levels. Think of all the R&D that could have been spent instead of buying back shares.

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chompyesterday at 2:56 PM

I don’t think that ruling distills down that far. But I will grant you that if you’re leaving enough obvious money on the table, activist investors will come knocking.

infectoyesterday at 3:09 PM

There are plenty of crappy family owned business that pay too little and expect too much. I don’t know if this is a public vs private company issue.

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cogman10yesterday at 2:54 PM

> Why does H-E-B do so many nice things for the state? But: Why aren’t more companies like H-E-B?

Regardless any sort of legal principle, the fact is capitalism rewards exploitation. The more a company exploits, the more profit it can bring in. Whether that be worker or customer.

While it's not stated that way in business management courses, that's exactly how it's taught in a round about way. The entire business class is chasing after efficiency, how to do more with less. And their idols are the likes of Walmart who will shut down a store if anyone says "union" and who aggressively negotiates for tax breaks in every location where their stores go up.

But further, venture capitalists have learned that one of the most effective ways to extract capital is to purchase well respected brands and destroy their quality while sucking off every last bit of value before customers wise up to the impending death of a beloved brand (see Sears, KMart, and basically all of fast food at this point. Also, be prepared to see this in your vet, dentist, and retirement homes).

People make millions doing these awful things which is why they keep happening. It's simply a lot harder and less profitable to make a "good" company which makes good products and respects their customers. And if H-E-B ever sells to a 3rd party, exactly the same thing will happen to them in a heartbeat.

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