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trgnyesterday at 11:08 PM3 repliesview on HN

but none of this applies to elastic. it's cash flow positive, and has such a cash hoard it's doing stock buybacks.


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Ancalagontoday at 12:04 AM

As far as I understand companies will take out loans against their own stocks in good times as they expect their stocks to generally go up and to make more money than the payments on the interest of those loans. If their stocks go down they need to make up the shortfall elsewhere. The loans are generally used to keep business operations running smoothly irrespective of actual business cashflow (for example some businesses make most of their profits at certain times of the year). I'm not saying this for sure applies to Elastic but I believe its a pretty common pattern across major businesses.

kev009today at 12:03 AM

They carry $575m in debt, which is around 80-100 devs a year if they are paying something like 4.5% on it, ignoring tax write-offs on either case as well as equity comp. There is some calculus to all that, carrying some debt, doing buybacks, whatever other strategies to manage perceptions sure.

dev_daftlytoday at 4:10 AM

Tech companies use RSUs to game the accounting system and then have to do stock buybacks to keep the outstanding shares in line.