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Sol-yesterday at 7:23 PM9 repliesview on HN

If the US really cracks down on frontier model access, you'll see them make Chinese open models illegal. You might say "oh well, let them try", but they will just put direct and secondary sanctions on every company whose systems have used Chinese models in some way. They just have to make an example out of a few international companies and no one will dare to use Chinese frontier models, at least commercially.


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olalondeyesterday at 11:17 PM

You think the US can tell the rest of the world "we're the only ones allowed to use frontier models" and that the rest of the world will just comply? There's just no way. Not even close US allies would go along with that.

AlecSchueleryesterday at 7:32 PM

This is why we can't decouple ourselves from the US fast enough.

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palatayesterday at 8:34 PM

> but they will just put direct and secondary sanctions on every company whose systems have used Chinese models in some way

What about this: companies stop providing AI tokens to their employees entirely and instead, give a monthly budget for developer tools? They can even go as far as saying "if we realise that you use Chinese AI, you will get a warning and then be fired".

It's not like one can identify code coming from Chinese AI, right? As long as a company doesn't pay for those subscriptions, it may just be the employees writing the code all by themselves :-).

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tokioyoyoyesterday at 7:48 PM

Theoretically that gives edge to all other companied around the world though, no?

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teravoryesterday at 8:00 PM

in the extremely unlikely event that they do this, what will happen is that Chinese models will become "rebranded" with a wink and a nod by the token routers (at the very least, the non-US ones). there is a zero percent chance that corporations will not work around it if the models are good and cheap.

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Culonavirusyesterday at 9:18 PM

> If the US really cracks down on frontier model access, you'll see them make Chinese open models illegal.

We don't give a fuck about US laws - respectfully, the rest of the planet.

We're already sick of your shit and this will only add to it. Just look at the Iran shit show. What a joke. Ooooooo wooooooo sanctionzzz scary. Sanctions only work if they're enforceable.

amunozoyesterday at 8:27 PM

I have no idea, but how is it easy to know whether somebody used these models? They can be hosted even locally.

petesergeantyesterday at 8:15 PM

> but they will just put direct and secondary sanctions on every company whose systems have used Chinese models in some way

Yes, and the rest of the world would just nod worriedly and go along with it, at massive cost to their economies, rather than treating it like the protectionism it is and responding to it with crippling counter-sanctions.