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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

297 pointsby bobrenjc93yesterday at 10:48 PM295 commentsview on HN

https://archive.md/ArXuF

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/us-government-gives-a...


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espeedtoday at 4:18 AM

Are Cyber Verification Program (CVP) members included in this?: "We also intend to scale up our Cyber Verification Program, which would grant Mythos-class capabilities to many more organizations for specific cyberdefense tasks" (https://www.anthropic.com/news/expanding-project-glasswing).

mlinseytoday at 12:08 AM

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward.

But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

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theturtletalkstoday at 1:24 AM

>> More than 100 companies and institutions will now have access to Mythos 5, including many Fortune 500 companies, a source familiar with the new directive said, declining to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter.

Who are those 100 companies? Clearly they can't compete on merit and have rubbed some hands to be picked as winners...at least for now.

exabrialtoday at 2:20 AM

How does my small company become a "trusted partner"?

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alanwreathtoday at 12:30 AM

I’m not sure what the US government is trying to do. At first it seems like they are just trying to stifle some company that said no. Now they are just doing free publicity. It’s like never before have I wanted to try something out as much as this.

They’re in effect saying “nothing else is as powerful as what Anthropic put out”. Even though that might not really be the case it’s what it sounds like.

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Alien1Beingtoday at 12:52 AM

Don't start to rely on it .

The US might remove access next month in a fit of pique.

The Chinese models look increasingly more reliable and safer.

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Hawkenfallyesterday at 11:10 PM

This appears to be only for Mythos 5 access, NOT Fable 5.

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layla5alivetoday at 3:22 AM

The Cantillon Effect applied to machine intelligence..

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chopete3today at 3:01 AM

It is interesting that there is no public announcement from the US government or Anthropic on this topic. That means there is no form to apply to be a trusted partner.

Does it mean US is allowing accessing to governments' exclusive list?

monksytoday at 3:25 AM

I can't wait till employees start helping with the distillation process.

tonyricetoday at 2:29 AM

I'm looking forward to better open source models. Now I just need to afford the compute to run these models.

andrewchambersyesterday at 11:54 PM

This seems like it will have pretty huge negative affects on startups needing to compete with 'trusted partners'

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avaertoday at 12:41 AM

I wonder if the Founding Fathers knew about AI, they would include it in the 2nd?

The spirit is to provide effective tools for the people to resist federal military tyranny, and Mythos seems like it would be a good tool to defend against that, for so many reasons.

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bastard_optoday at 1:23 AM

China will just buy a "trusted partner" one way or another.

It's like the epidemic of scam nvidia cards being resold without gpu or memory - where do you think those are going?

__natty__yesterday at 11:19 PM

And we get the news the same time OpenAI releases 5.6. What a coincidence?

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SwellJoeyesterday at 11:50 PM

"I have determined that appropriate safeguards are in place to permit certain trusted partners to access the Claude Mythos 5 Model"

I assume "trusted partners" means, "companies that have bribed Trump an appropriate amount". A few million for the inauguration, a few million for the ballroom, a few million on a movie about Melania, the don wants a taste.

tracerbulletxyesterday at 11:05 PM

Imposing a licensing system on models for limiting domestic use should require an act of congress but I mean obviously we're well past that red line.

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bluecalmtoday at 1:39 AM

Is there any scenario where it's not catastrophic for for the frontier labs?

They just got their market cut to a fraction. Investing in new tech is now very risky because even if things work out you might not be able to sell anything.

There were already serious doubts about ROI for the frontier labs. If they can only sell to 100 or so entities it's over business wise.

What's the endgame here?

outside1234yesterday at 11:37 PM

Is there a list of the partners that get access? That should be public, right?

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kristopoloustoday at 12:03 AM

Next time someone tells you this is the party of free market and small government, I guess you just laugh now?

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andaitoday at 1:20 AM

Weren't they already doing that?

truthbetoday at 12:44 AM

Open source should create a new license where it specifically doesn't allow release to these "trusted partners".

jchooktoday at 3:39 AM

The entire arc reads as a marketing stunt rather than a legitimate national security threat. Maybe Anthropic asked the US for this action to be taken.

Fable was out for 3 days, not really long enough for us to properly evaluate it, but the "Sorry we had to remove Fable. Read more. (because it's too powerful btw)" is loudly shown every chance they get for weeks. It creates a halo.

Reminiscent of the old Apple G4 commercial where they displayed it next to military tanks. "For the first time in history, a personal computer has been classified as a weapon by the U.S. government."

sscaryterryyesterday at 11:25 PM

I thought Fable was a "safer" Mythos?!

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zacksiritoday at 3:15 AM

This reminds me of the following quote

"When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed." ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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kdawagtoday at 12:34 AM

To the surprise of absolutely nobody following the news

wewewedxfgdftoday at 3:11 AM

I wonder if Anthropic and ChatGPT will continue to scream at the top of their lungs how dangerous their services are and how they will break the security of everything everywhere?

Or may they'll decide to be a little more quiet and less end-of-the-world-is-nigh-if-you-use-our-services?

nozzlegearyesterday at 11:33 PM

Wowee, just happens to be on the same day of OpenAI's Sol announcement. How convenient for Dario and Anthropic!

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Henchman21today at 12:01 AM

This is what “stacking the deck” looks like

Havoctoday at 12:40 AM

One more aspect where the US can no longer be counted on.

Let's hope this creates a bit more fire under the asses of other countries

pertymcpertyesterday at 11:13 PM

Why would they allow Mythos but not Fable? Fable is the one with more guardrails.

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naturalmovementtoday at 12:44 AM

80% of the irrationally angry comments here have zero clue how export controls work and is giving me serious Dunning Kruger vibes.

Please go read US history before sounding off on this topic. These laws have existed for decades.

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olalondetoday at 12:09 AM

It feels the U.S. is moving closer to a textbook definition of crony capitalism. Really sad but unsurprising with the current administration.

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jimmydoetoday at 12:07 AM

Congrats sama. Such a great sophisticated 5d chess move.

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standardUsertoday at 12:40 AM

Meanwhile, China is pushing the World Artificial Intelligence Cooperation Organization (WAICO), which, in the face of internal divisions and impotent leadership among Western nations, could prove to be the first global regime that China gets to build and lead.

jauntywundrkindyesterday at 11:02 PM

* to some US companies.

Asterisk the size of a Mac truck.

Also this administration having say over who gets access to what AI is just so much more grift corruption and picking your favorites / destroying others, for these incdecent undemocratic in American grifters who've seized our state.

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micromacrofoottoday at 1:33 AM

america is worrying about a civil war and missing the corporate takeover

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aryonocoyesterday at 11:45 PM

Land of the free, land of the brave. Free market. Freedom of speech. Market economy.

These words don’t mean what they use to anymore. Newspeak is in full swing. Words still sound the same and are written in the same way but now mean something completely different. If Mao and Stalin were alive, they would be nodding approvingly.

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hmokiguesstoday at 1:08 AM

I identify as a trusted partner, can I have one Mythos please.

zuzululuyesterday at 11:25 PM

should see 5.6 any day now

chungus_amongustoday at 1:34 AM

despicable

kevinten10today at 2:17 AM

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paxysyesterday at 11:37 PM

TL;DR - OpenAI and Anthropic are both allowed to ship their most powerful models to a small number of companies pre-approved by Trump.

frogpersonyesterday at 11:08 PM

Who needs freedom of speech anyway? I'm just glad the trump admin is looking out for by best interests. /s

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skywhopperyesterday at 11:32 PM

Why post a content free link to Twitter for this?