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herodoturtleyesterday at 10:25 AM5 repliesview on HN

Publishing by necessity I wonder? American labs on the cutting edge pioneering the way forward, so Deepseek open sourcing what they’ve got is to help even the playing field.

Hopefully the experts here can offer insight. The above is just my hunch and I’m not a specialist in this field.


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try-workingyesterday at 11:42 AM

Yes, challenger Labs publish out of necessity. It is a marketing strategy. People assuming open source means giving something up, but the reality is that Z.ai has a revenue of some $100M and it would be about $0M if they never open sourced their models.

jonplackettyesterday at 10:27 AM

Wouldn’t that just help the American labs anyway though? Or do they assume they’ve actually already figured this stuff out and kept it secret?

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_0ffhyesterday at 10:37 AM

I'm afraid I'm even balking at the word "pioneering" in context with US frontier labs. They are probably doing a few new things, right, but they are not blazing any trails for others to follow along, the Chinese are.

skeledrewyesterday at 12:03 PM

> Publishing by necessity

It's more a cultural thing. Sharing progress is just in their blood.

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epolanskiyesterday at 10:55 AM

Chinese papers and techniques have been very influential and copied by US labs.

Multi-head Latent Attention (MLA), Multi-Token prediction, MoE architecture are some of the most famous examples.

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