logoalt Hacker News

aucisson_masquetoday at 6:14 AM7 repliesview on HN

If I say something illegal during a meeting, people will notice it and will report it to the police. Then I may get arrested or fined.

Why should it be different on the internet ? Provided we live in countries where freedom of speech is enacted.

Of course in Russia or china it's different but surely they already have tools like that.


Replies

ludicrousdisplatoday at 9:46 AM

How do you "say something illegal" ?

phrotomatoday at 9:08 AM

It's not different on the internet. If you commit a crime on the internet it's still illegal and it can still be reported to the police.

What makes you suggest otherwise?

febusravengatoday at 7:01 AM

Its not about saying illegal things. It's mostly about saying things that can get you canceled in future in future culture.

Dark jokes and strong opinions are example - you something filthy - let's say dark Holocaust/Nazi joke but funny in situation In group that accept it and it's ok. But if it's recorded, it'll stay forever and will surface in most unexpected moment, like job interview or some other screening by gov/corpos.

Don't say that dirty jokes should be punished in future if in given situation they were received as ok and only later someone else, not in situation is going to judge it

show 1 reply
mawadevtoday at 6:28 AM

What if your phone listens to you all the time so it can detect "ok google" or "alexa" 24/7 but you happen to say something illegal with your device ID?

What if you brain storm a book/plot idea with a friend aloud and moments later the police knocks on your door because some system said you are about to commit a crime?

show 1 reply
stavrostoday at 6:17 AM

Because perfect law enforcement means society can never change. Imagine if, back when it was illegal to be gay, every gay person was immediately sentenced. Do you think we'd be accepting homosexuality today?

show 1 reply
matheusmoreiratoday at 7:02 AM

> If I say something illegal

A situation that should be impossible due to freedom of speech.

show 1 reply
14today at 6:24 AM

Because it has been shown that even if freedom is speech is a right that people will still be afraid to speak up if they know they are being monitored. Because the reality is that even if you are allowed to speak you might still be punished through other means.

This is much bigger than saying something illegal on the internet. This is about not being able to criticize your government without fear of retribution. Or how about if this was possible 60 years ago. Gays would have been all caught and gay rights never emerged. Or say you are discussing wanting an abortion and are arrested for arrested for it because at that point in time it is made illegal. The right to have private communication is integral to a free and democratic society. Morals change. Beliefs change. This is good. If you are monitored for everything we will be oppressed and stuck with no way to progress and grow.

show 1 reply