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echoangletoday at 4:00 PM1 replyview on HN

I can’t hear this degrowth strawman anymore. There are probably 20 people complaining about people wanting degrowth for everyone who actually advocates for that. It’s not like every politician in Europe is advocating for that.


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simianwordstoday at 4:27 PM

Degrowth is absolutely not niche in Western Europe. In Germany and NL, it is the new religion along with free Palestine movement.

Take any moderately educated Zillenial and ask them what they feel passionately about.

People are feeling more and more alienated from large scale projects of humanity. They have also given up on religion itself. What remains is a facade of religion where degrowth and Palestine take act as Pseudo Religion.

Here in Germany I see stickers and Graffiti all the time.

“Fuck the big Tech”

“Fuck big oil”

“ChatGPT bad”

These are the kind of flyers I see. Of course I’m leaving out the Palestine stuff here.

There are close to Zero educated people excited about the idea of growth. Ask them and they would tell you they’d rather have all capitalists done away with return to a past when we were all peaceful and not “destroying the planet”.

Obviously I’m not claiming degrowth is majority. I’m claiming that at least within my bubble, zero people are excited about the potential of growth. And non trivial number of people want to kill growth.

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