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bradley13today at 5:15 PM4 repliesview on HN

It's not just Europe. DMCA takedowns in the US: no liability for taking down innocent content.

Really, it comes down to this: censorship is bad. Always.

If someone violates the law, get a court judgement. With the judgement in hand, take down that specific material.

Too much work? Tough...


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nonethewisertoday at 5:42 PM

Isnt taking down illegal content censorship?

If not you can get around the absolute statement “censorship is always bad” by just making more things illegal.

I think censorship is so clearly good in some scenarios that we would never think to even debate it. Like child porn.

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bawolfftoday at 6:56 PM

> It's not just Europe. DMCA takedowns in the US: no liability for taking down innocent content.

Isn't it under penalty of purjury?

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username_my1today at 5:43 PM

soon with the age verification laws, the mass surveillance laws coming

we'll have a great wall of Europe ... my guess is that they're following the Russian / Chinese model.

banning of VPN is a matter of time.

then the days of free or anonymous internet is behind us.

ButlerianJihadtoday at 6:12 PM

> censorship is bad. Always.

Sure! Great slogan! Who can disagree! Now, let's define the terms?

What's censorship? Don't we all want some sort of censoring of content? If someone doxxxes me, posts revenge porn of me, threatens me and my family with credible threats of harm, shares my credit card numbers and bank/Bitcoin/Ethereum accounts, uploads all 400 of my password credentials and my mobile phone#, posts videos of them strangling my dog, wages a campaign to redefine my personal name into a perverted sexual practice...

Aren't those the sorts of things where we encourage the censorship of content? Do those fall outside of our definition of the term, so that "censorship" is bad, but "moderation" is good?

If someone gets a hold of "F/OSS" software and distributes it contrary to the licensing and violates that licensing, do we want their distribution censored or suppressed or, what's the term for good censorship? LLMs and generative AIs are moderated/constrained as a matter of course, and we've got the entire board here in an uproar over too much moderation, or too little? Because AI Slop Is Ruining Everything and please rein it in?

Our Founding Fathers espoused "Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press, Freedom of Religion" but is that an unbounded, unchecked, lasseiz-faire freedom that they envisioned, or were there boundaries?

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