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gdiamostoday at 3:03 AM1 replyview on HN

When I first saw scaling laws in that deep speech experiment notebook, I didn’t believe it could be real. I was worried for months that we made a mistake, or that it only worked for that one dataset.

I started to believe it after we (Joel Hestness in particular) reproduced it in so many experiments in “scaling is predictable empirically”.

The OpenAI work replicated it in a completely different environment, and at that point I was sure it was real.

Sometimes people ask me why I was so surprised by it. Prior work like Banko and Brill and the unreasonable effectiveness of data argued for more data. ML theory had similar models for toy problems, eg coin flips.

At the time I thought deep learning was supposed to be complex. Speech and language datasets seemed much more complex than toy problems. Optimization of deep transformers was complex.

The idea that it was possible for the whole thing to be governed by a 3 term equation seemed too simple. The implication was that it was simple to manufacture intelligence.

Ten years later, I still think it is still the most interesting observation I have seen. We are still learning what it looks like to live in a world where it is possible to manufacture intelligence.


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nok22kontoday at 4:10 AM

the scaling laws work within a "generation". but what about across them?

GPT-3 was 175B, models like Gemma4 with 31B vastly outperform it, so there is more to it

as Karpathy noted, the initial GPTs were trained on complete garbage (literally, the average document from the Common Crawl is random nonsense), yet they worked. now we can use present LLMs to curate the data for the next generation

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