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llm_nerdyesterday at 6:22 PM3 repliesview on HN

> In many ways, it's a story about far more than just oats.

Sure, and the story is about how Americans look at how they became the richest large country on the planet and endlessly ruminate on how they can have their cake and eat it too.

Oats declined as an American crop among farmers because there were more lucrative uses for the land. Literally it wasn't some grand conspiracy or external force, but simply that the crop preferred different climates and without needing it as a feedstock you could make more money growing soy or corn or countless other things.

But endlessly there are these sorts of "the children yearn for the mines" sorts of stories where Americans view anyone else producing literally anything as somehow unjustly depriving Americans. The rest of the world settled on putting the center of technology and arts and media and finance in the US, to hugely lucrative benefits for the US, with liberal free trade and IP protections and patent monopolies and a very healthy profit for Americans, but oh no someone else is making that low value crop and that needs to be undone.

"Data from the Ag Census cited by NAMA offer a compelling reason for the switch away from oats. Returns per acre are far higher for corn ($604) and soybeans ($544) than for oats ($111)."

Americans have some romance with the notion of "millions and millions of human beings screwing in little, little screws to make iPhones". It's bizarre stuff.


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toast0yesterday at 6:48 PM

> Americans have some romance with the notion of "millions and millions of human beings screwing in little, little screws to make iPhones". It's bizarre stuff.

Screwing in little, little screws to make stuff used to be a pretty decent job in the US. Most people can be trained for assembly work, which really isn't the case for tech, arts, media etc.

Most of that work is super repetitive and some of it is dangerous and etc, etc. Lots of reasons not to like doing it, but having it available as an option was pretty nice. That's why there's romantic feelings.

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ButlerianJihadyesterday at 7:28 PM

Look, my fathers and their five fathers were all tech/EECS/radio guys; I learned PCB and soldering and schematics informally.

If I had my druthers, I would've trained early and diligently for a lifelong career in Electronics Assembly, because that should have been a solid and stable industry/job market.

But I did not, and it is not, in these United States. Pity.

bell-cotyesterday at 7:01 PM

> Returns per acre are far higher for corn ($604) and soybeans ($544) than for oats ($111).

How much of that difference is "natural", and how much is the Federal Gov't spending $billions to make it so?

https://www.fsa.usda.gov/news-events/news/04-08-2026/usda-an...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_policy_of_the_Uni...

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