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hnuser123456today at 1:40 AM1 replyview on HN

Here is a video of one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO747JB4Nr8

There's a few demonstrated here (26-32 seconds in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBsyFj8bEJk

And here's one that uses the ailerons instead of being able to tilt the motors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2fgL97rgK0

I could've sworn Peter Sripol built one while on Flite Test too, but I can't find it atm.

Looks like the rocket pendulum fallacy is about expecting meaningful passive stability from the location of the center of thrust vs center of mass, but even 2-rotors need to be able to tilt independently (or deflect thrust) for active control.

Theoretically this could still work even if the center of mass was above center of thrust, but the tilting/vectoring responsiveness would need to be very high. These RC models at least move so slowly that the air resistance of swinging back and fourth really does help dampen oscillations passively, but they all still have active flight controllers that are trying to keep angular velocity at zero without control input.


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montymintypietoday at 4:43 AM

Sorry, I wasn't arguing against bicopters being possible, obviously something like the osprey exists.

> the air resistance of swinging back and fourth really does help dampen oscillations passively

But they don't swing back and forth like a pendulum (unless your PIDs are off) because of the center of mass, that is the entire issue with the fallacy.