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zamalektoday at 6:43 PM6 repliesview on HN

> Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not.

Ignoring instructions - whether in AGENTS.md or my prompt - is the worst of it, and it routinely happens. It just waives things that I explicitly told it to do as part of the design.

Vibe coders (in the true sense, zero oversight) claim that you just need to prompt it carefully. That's completely untrue when faced with your careful prompt being ignored.

I even have "don't overrule me without asking" in my global AGENTS.md, and it simply doesn't do that.


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lanstintoday at 6:54 PM

Your context isn’t to give it orders, they just don’t work like that. Your context (AGENTS.me, skills, per-request context we are sending in for each request to bots) is to give it the info it needs in the language category it’s trained for the answers you want; you have to give it a clear instruction each prompt. Basically, when you have a long session, you can see this by saying, ok, now moving onto another thing, blah blah blah (implicitly ignoring all previous instructions). It can even back fire - nagging too much about don’t skip tests in the context can make it slip into the linguistic space where there is some emergency and faking the results might be justified (I imagine there is a certain amount of training out there “just making the tests pass for now, will fix later, I promise.” If you rarely mention tests except “this one is failing, please investigate what is going on” (an informational outcome not a test outcome), it doesn’t really “cheat” (tho it can leap to conclusions as always). The tests need to be some deterministic step in the process anyways, tests don’t need fuzzy word directed search capabilities. But the models just don’t have the structure to allow feeding in a ten page set of rules and follow them. You can add a step to say, please check this git commit for compliance with the 23 rules in this standards file, and it will work better to catch the gaps.

grey-areatoday at 6:53 PM

These are word generators, not agents, I’m really not sure why people think they could be capable agents (ie independent) when they consistently ignore instructions, generate the wrong things and then double down when questioned, etc etc.

You’ve been sold something that simply doesn’t work for the purported use case (intelligence) and instead is like a stupid database of all world knowledge with the appearance of intelligence.

Useful tools at times (if you bear in mind their limitations), but not close to intelligent, independent agents.

sdesoltoday at 7:00 PM

> I even have "don't overrule me without asking" in my global AGENTS.md, and it simply doesn't do that.

You really need to look into hooks based on your coding agent. This is very much a solved problem as I demonstrate with

https://github.com/gitsense/pi-brains

I have a test repo

https://github.com/gitsense/gsc-rules-demos

that shows how you can block and warn and do other things.

You obviously can't have a "Don't make a mistake" rule though.

rogerrogerrtoday at 6:52 PM

I’m convinced the magic bullet is deterministic checks. Linters, static analyzers, etc. Whatever you can do to create deterministic gates that the LLM simply must overcome to reach a “done” state, do it. Has been making a huge difference for my team, but sister teams are so invested in writing the perfect Make No Mistakes prompt that they just can’t see it.

Basically I treat it like a junior dev. We don’t get junior devs to write code correctly by cajoling them just right, we add CI gates. It still works.

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codemogtoday at 6:49 PM

Also noticed this. Their intelligence is very jagged. I’ve had them produce some highly optimized code yet fail to follow basic code guidelines.

ls612today at 7:13 PM

In my limited testing Fable is far better at obeying CLAUDE.MD than Opus is.