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Reparaible and open source paper printer

252 pointsby bouhtoday at 9:03 PM67 commentsview on HN

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HelloUsernametoday at 9:33 PM

Interesting comment from last time this was posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48093670

Inkjet printing requires orders of magnitude more engineering expertise, materials science, industry experience and financial resources than most people imagine. That is the reason, open inkjet printers don't exist despite having been consumer products with the same drawbacks for more than forty years. That is why this is a pre-crowdfund landing page without a demonstrating a working prototype. I would like to be wrong, but I expect you to be waiting a long time. An inkjet printer is not a collection of off the shelf parts. It is a machine that operates at the edge of chemistry, fluid dynamics, and electro-mechanical design...you have to place tiny tiny drops of liquid ink on commodity wood pulp with precision under arbitrary environmental conditions, get that ink to dry on the wood pulp, but not in tank or nozzel, while producing acceptable color, durability, and ease of use. Also lawyers...there are patents.

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zerobeestoday at 11:35 PM

I think the top-ranking comment about complexity is off base: they're not inventing inkjet printing from scratch. It's basically a bunch of existing modules in a new package, presumably with the promise that you will not need to buy subscriptions or DRMed ink cartridges.

Is robustness and reparability a compelling pitch? If I'm counting right, I owned eight different printers in my life. Dot matrix, dye sublimation, inkjet, laser. I don't think a single one ever required any serious repairs beyond replacing consumables, clearing paper jams, and pulling out lint. I upgraded as the technology improved. My first laser printer needed about 4x as much desk space as the current one.

VorpalWaytoday at 9:36 PM

This is interesting, but it seems to be a crowdfunding campaign only. I wish them the best of luck (the cause is worthy for sure), but buyer beware at this point.

(I myself don't 2D print enough that an ink based printer makes sense for me. Ink tends to dry, so for me a laser printer that can sit for months at a time makes more sense. I use the scanner as well as my 3D printer far more often.)

I wonder how they will handle the nonsense around yellow tracking dots[1] etc. Hopefully that doesn't become a problem.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

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esskaytoday at 9:52 PM

Unless I'm missing something using this in a commercial application would be a license violation:

> Open Printer is distributed under the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

> This means that everyone is free to use, share, and modify the project, provided they credit the original author, share derivatives under the same license, and do not use it for commercial purposes.

It's also not opensource yet, there's a vague mention of "when its ready" it'll be released.

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ssddanbrowntoday at 9:50 PM

> Open Printer is distributed under the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

So not open source.

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newman314today at 11:32 PM

Seems interesting but I would like a laser version of this. Not ever going back to inkjet.

williadctoday at 10:23 PM

I had an Epson Ecotank for a couple of years. The printer heads got clogged all the time. We bought a series of cleaning products to address it, they often solved the problem for only a few prints. We finally gave up and bought a Brother laser printer.

This project seems like it's trying to address a similar market to the Ecotank. What assurances can the project team provide that OpenPrinter will have better reliability?

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s0atoday at 11:21 PM

just in time. this will certainly juice development of the equally important open source fax machine.

Muromectoday at 9:41 PM

Image loading is too fancy and went on a lunch break I think.

exmadscientisttoday at 9:43 PM

I talked a bit about this years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37007815

TL;DR: I'm surprised this isn't a laser printer, as those are actually quite a bit easier to design and manufacture, especially if you can use a cheap, older, commonly available, remanufacturable toner cartridge.

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logdahltoday at 9:34 PM

Would be interested in others take on this. Personally, I wonder:

- By rolling the paper, will it really stay flat after printing? - How easy / cheap will sourcing ink be?

dinklebergtoday at 10:35 PM

I really love the idea of a paper roll rather than individual sheets. Being able to print out to the size you want rather than only in pre-set sizes is quite cool.

idorosentoday at 10:35 PM

I want to buy one of these just to support projects like it.

rubatugatoday at 9:37 PM

Isn't the paper feed the hardest part - the part that always gets jammed? I swear a paper roll is cheating.

prrrrrinttoday at 9:50 PM

Been waiting for framework to make a regular 2D printer, of any kind, would buy at least two instantly. I will never, never, never buy a fing printer from hp/canon/epson/brother/etc with anti-consumer tech, I rather die.

Natfantoday at 10:51 PM

how has no on mentioned the typo in the title

s/Reparaible/Repairable

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tomkarhotoday at 10:24 PM

Richard they did it. You can rest now.

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another-accounttoday at 10:40 PM

LASER

TeaVMFantoday at 10:24 PM

Title Typo? Reparaible to Repairable?

einpoklumtoday at 10:07 PM

This is just the thing I needed 30 years ago :-(

To be less facetious though, this seems like a nice project (*), but I print so much less these days than in the past. I printed a lot of color stuff when I was in school; but these days I just settle for black/halftoning from a laser printer, for when I actually need something printed, and color on screen only.

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(*) - except perhaps for the NC restriction in the license.

protocolturetoday at 10:50 PM

How do they get a satan inside it, i thought demons were proprietary.

ChrisArchitecttoday at 10:01 PM

Please "repair" the title, maybe include OpenPrinter to start with, or solely.

Some previous discussion on the crowdfunding:

Inkjet printer with DRM-free ink will be launched via a crowdfunding campaign (2025)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45423404

ktalletttoday at 9:42 PM

It's such a good idea as a project and by the looks of things well executed. I also feel the style of the printer and the fact it can be a roll of paper will lead to interesting project ideas.

getcrunktoday at 9:42 PM

I mean it’s about time a company makes a repairable and pro consumer printer. My god

jzer0cooltoday at 10:06 PM

Can we expect photos to be looking nice?

focusgroup0today at 11:28 PM

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