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Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

268 pointsby PotatoNinjalast Monday at 10:53 AM164 commentsview on HN

https://archive.is/LV6Cw


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msftgreedyesterday at 10:47 PM

This is a great example of the curb cut effect -- a system designed for accessibility needs turns out to be useful in other contexts. Curb cuts were designed for people with disabilities, particularly veterans, and over time have become more and more standard. They help people who use wheelchairs, yes, but also people without disabilities like those with strollers, bikes, luggage, or small kids.

We love to see accessibility features find uses outside their original intent.

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Cider9986yesterday at 6:08 PM

Mobile Device Management (MDM) is the only effective way to restrict idevices.

All you need is a macbook and Apple Configurator.

You can remove safari, blacklist or whitelist websites, block installing apps, block deleting apps. It's really customizable.

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Brajeshwarlast Wednesday at 1:15 AM

Archived https://archive.is/LV6Cw

Long back Xiaomi Phones used to have soemthing like this. That one feature was how I migrated my in-laws to Smartphones from their Nokias.

The key content from the article;

Here's how you set it up: Head into Settings, tap Accessibility, scroll down to the General section at the very bottom, and tap Assistive Access. Now, tap Set Up Assistive Access, then Continue. It will then ask you to select your preferred appearance: rows or a grid. I suggest choosing a grid. This is how you get those super-large tiles. Now the OS will ask you to select allowed apps—tap the green plus icon next to the apps you want to allow.

throwaway81523today at 1:24 AM

I've wanted for quite a long time to write an Android app like that. Use Kiosk mode (basically a locked down home screen) to turn the Android phone into a dumb phone.

xnxyesterday at 7:13 PM

Summary:

Simplify the iPhone home screen with large icons for kids or seniors:

Settings > Accessibility > General section at the very bottom > Assistive Access

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bawolffyesterday at 6:34 PM

> My son only gets Calls, Messages, Maps, Camera (so we can video call, but I've ruthlessly turned off selfies), Photos, and Music. Nothing else.

I get that the internet is an addictive scary place with lots of content potentially dangerous to a young person.

But why would you care if your child took a selfie? That seems pretty draconian.

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laweijfmvoyesterday at 8:35 PM

I discovered and tried to use this feature to turn an older iPhone into a dumb phone for myself, but hit several blockers

  1. It’s incredibly slow to transition in and out of the mode, as mentioned in the article, which made setting it up (constant tweaks) very painful
  2. For messages and calls, you were limited to select contacts only. So I couldn’t just text/call a number when I needed to.

They may have polished the feature since then, but given that it’s an Accessibility feature and was never meant to receive much attention in this regard, it may always be half-baked.
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propter_hoctoday at 1:05 AM

Idk, Google Family Link seems much more powerful and easy to manage to me. I guess it doesn't have the six giant icons launcher, but my seven-year-old has no issues with normal sized icons or text.

eigencoderyesterday at 7:38 PM

I like the feature, but I don't like the assumption at the beginning.

> Come September, he will have to walk across town to school on his own. But if he's going to be walking around out in the world without me, then a tracking tag won't cut it. He is far too young to have unfettered access to the internet and social media platforms, but what if he gets lost? A classic Nokia, supplying just texts and calls, won't come to his aid. Maps and satnav require a web connection.

What if he gets lost? With a classic Nokia, he could still call someone and get help. Or, he might (heaven forbid) just need to ask someone for help. Or walk around until he remembers where he is. These are all good skills to learn.

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fmayesterday at 6:06 PM

>children have quickly found workarounds for such measures, such as asking friends to message them links, which can bypass restrictions when opened

I was very surprised of this by my own kids find workarounds like l33t hackers. Apple's restrictions are a joke. The app store is full of things they can mess with. My daughter mentioned some way to get around screen time.

I've ended up just taking the iPads away.

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whycomeyesterday at 9:33 PM

There are so many features under “accessibility” that have wider usages.

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turkeyboiyesterday at 6:32 PM

Assistive access is the feature being referred to by tfa

hans_castorpyesterday at 9:29 PM

> Maps and satnav require a web connection.

No they don't require a network at all. The only drawback if there is no network is that the initial finding of the position takes longer. And maps can be downloaded so that they are available offline.

GPS receiver have been working without a "web connection" for ages (e.g. Garmins outdoor devices).

I use my smartphone in "airplane" mode but GPS enabled when hiking. No problems whatsoever.

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wewewedxfgdftoday at 12:45 AM

Looks good for old people too. My mom can no longer grasp anything but the most simple tech, and even then...

pugworthyyesterday at 6:17 PM

This might be just the thing for my elderly mother. She's used an iPhone for many many years, but struggles lately with motor dexterity, vision, and a bit of cognitive challenge making phone usage difficult. Lots of things I'd like to just hide she doesn't need to get to (like Settings).

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Aboutplantsyesterday at 8:37 PM

I really wish settings could be downloaded and implemented like transferring Bookmarks in browsers. That way I could take a setup of settings someone has created and simply mimic that by way of adopting all of the same settings in one fell swoop.

It would break the anxiety barrier of having to finagle with a bunch of different settings which exists for a lot of people believe it or not.Or Apple could just make it easier to implement these types of features much easier.

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philipsyesterday at 7:35 PM

This looks perfect! I had been searching around for “feature phones” but the market seems dire. Lots of carrier locked devices or devices that still offer “a little bit of internet”. And then I started thinking about finding a repair shop when my kid inevitably breaks it and an old iPhone keeps looking better and better.

Plus when my kids lose it in a bag somewhere I can use find my instead of wasting an hour digging around.

butzyesterday at 7:53 PM

This is actually a really great feature for everyone else trying to reduce their phone use without switching to different "dumbphone". But why mandatory lock by passcode? I agree, that adding more friction would prevent user to switch back to standard UI, but still - it should be optional.

phyzomeyesterday at 11:25 PM

That's a bad use of a very expensive phone. Get an actual dumb phone that's vastly cheaper.

> what if he gets lost?

Then he can look at street signs, ask someone nearby for directions, or (and this is an option I didn't have as a kid)... call someone. On the phone. That he has.

1970-01-01yesterday at 7:24 PM

'Perfect' being used as a filler word in a headline is obscene to me.

turtlebitsyesterday at 8:50 PM

It's still a smartphone.

The perfect dumb phone is just a dumb phone. (Bonus, they're an order of magnitude cheaper than a decent smartphone).

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Triphibianyesterday at 7:36 PM

I keep observing that accessibility features often contain the tools we need to make our devices and apps more humane. This is one area that video games have been way ahead on.

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Waterluvianyesterday at 7:26 PM

Sometimes I imagine that the mandate of one team (like those that build accessibility features) end up at direct odds with the mandate for other teams. And then there’s maybe an internal politicking where it’s like… okay you can have that feature that completely subverts a lot of how we want users to be behaving, but you can’t market it loudly.

I have no clue how things are actually structured at Apple, though. But I’m sure at this level of product maturity, there’s going to be internal struggles between user friendliness and profitability.

morninglightyesterday at 6:38 PM

While living in Japan, our kid used a cellphone with 3 buttons.

1. Call mom, 2. Call dad. 3. Call Auntie.

These kid's phones were very common, inexpensive and worked great.

thatmfyesterday at 7:46 PM

For some reason when I opened this the sound of a helicopter hovering shook the walls.

> Come September, he will have to walk across town to school on his own.

*THE HORROR*

> But if he's going to be walking around out in the world without me, then a tracking tag won't cut it.

Uhhhhhhhhh. The way this is stated so plainly as if it were self-evident fact is telling. The author longs for the umbilical cord.

> but what if he gets lost?

What if he learns a life lesson, navigation and/or some form of self-reliance or independence?

I just... no wonder Kids Today are so cooked.

SlavikCAyesterday at 9:49 PM

Does Android have this feature?

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bitwizeyesterday at 6:42 PM

It's like At Ease for mobile. Neat!

m463yesterday at 6:06 PM

This seems like a much more comprehensive solution than screen time

mdavidnyesterday at 10:16 PM

Wow. I was reading this article on a iPhone when the heavy ads crashed my Safari tab. After it auto-reloaded, the paywall claimed I had used all of my free articles. Thanks, Wired.

mvdwoordyesterday at 5:59 PM

"You must disable SIM PIN to enable Assistive Access..."

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happyopossumyesterday at 8:36 PM

> Crucially, this is where, unlike with Apple’s standard child screen-time restrictions, you can choose to completely block internet browsing by simply not allowing Safari

Very odd take given that you can block access to safari with iOS screen time as well...

dwa3592yesterday at 9:25 PM

my iphone is already kind of dumb. i don't have any social media apps. i have all notifications turned off (except ringtone for call). i only use my phone for calling and texting. it feels very expensive for those 2 operations. but i have the choice of downloading whatever shit i want to download.

50208yesterday at 6:33 PM

His kid doesn't need a phone and doesn't need to be tracked to walk to school. Get over it.

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testerteert000ayesterday at 7:38 PM

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kakacikyesterday at 8:20 PM

While all one needz in such case is new commodore (yes, that commodore) flip phone.

Whatsapp, google maps, calls, sms. No browser, no store, no bullshit. Kids dont need more, if parents dont want to ruin (part of) their childhood. No need for restrictive apple ecosystem neither.

citizenpaulyesterday at 6:14 PM

>Yes, it's odd that Apple doesn't train all its store staff on this laudable feature, but it's baffling that it doesn't shout about how good Assistive Access is for making a kid's dumb phone.

My guess is that its a bad look for PR to essentially say that a feature designed for disability assistance = children.