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meatmanektoday at 7:21 PM3 repliesview on HN

It would be really cool if they could expose this information to customers somehow. Imagine:

   - having a log of the most prominent J-space tokens during your customer support chatbot's interactions with a user, so you can have more introspection into why a particular outcome happened
   - being able to detect certain thoughts associated with undesirable behavior (hallucinations, overstepping authority, lying, etc.) and trigger some sort of remediation (e.g. upgrading to a better model, redirecting to a human, forcing tool calls)

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dofmtoday at 7:26 PM

Presumably the rationale for the decision to abridge the thinking traces will ensure that they don’t; if this is real (and there’s no good reason to trust that it is yet) then it is the secret sauce.

charcircuittoday at 7:51 PM

Anthropic aren't even willing to expose the CoT of their models. You will have to rely on them to build those sorts of things into dedicated signals.

throw310822today at 8:41 PM

Anthropic won't do it, but they published the j-lens to introspect the model- from what I understand it's roughly simply feeding a chosen layer straight into the final layers of the LLM for decoding into language:

https://github.com/anthropics/jacobian-lens

Looks like it should be easy to use on open weights models.